Return of Joe Gibbs - - Update

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I've yet to hear a good reason as to why bring Gibbs back. Okay he's not going to be GM, fine. But he's going to be president or something or other and help Danny pick a GM a good coach.

It's like this team is constantly trying to force square pegs into round circles and say, there we figured out it now.

I'll try to give you just that; "a good reason." How about this; Gibbs is THE ONLY guy that Snyder will objectively listen to & heed his advice. I'm not saying that's a fact, but it may be.

[Daseal]

Can someone explain to me the roles of a Team President then if they have nothing to do with player acquisition? I like Gibbs as a person and a motivator, but he's no longer a football person. His offense while he was in the league was one of the worst -- and the only reason we stayed competitive was because of Greg Williams and his attacking dominant defense. His player acquisitions were built for short term winning (which we didn't do), undersized receivers, and no thought to the future. Why have we gone downhill since he left? I think that's pretty easy. Offensive line age/injuries, Clinton Portis getting destroyed from 6000 carries per season, and a change on the defensive side.

I'm not trying to kill Gibbs. While I don't agree with a lot of his philosophies and stances in life, I certainly respect them and he's done nothing but good for mankind. He's an amazing leader with an uncanny gift to lead. I just don't think football is a place for him anymore. After he quit the skins, it looks like he was 10 years younger after about two months. Football requires a dedication that consumes all of an individuals time and energy, he doesn't need that anymore -- I'm worried it would kill him, to be completely honest.

Keep racing. Enjoy your family. Hang out on that lake in South Carolina, and answer Danny's calls when he needs some real advice. Besides that, enjoy 'retirement.'

To whoever said if you can build a great racing team you can build a great football team. Come on. The difficulty of assembling an NFL team vs. assembling a NASCAR team isn't even comparable. His position in NASCAR is basically spend a lot of money, get a few amazing engineers, and hope for a lot of luck on race day. It's all about having the best equipment out there, something a salary cap and contracts greatly limit in the NFL.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Can someone explain to me the roles of a Team President then if they have nothing to do with player acquisition? I like Gibbs as a person and a motivator, but he's no longer a football person. His offense while he was in the league was one of the worst -- and the only reason we stayed competitive was because of Greg Williams and his attacking dominant defense. His player acquisitions were built for short term winning (which we didn't do), undersized receivers, and no thought to the future. Why have we gone downhill since he left? I think that's pretty easy. Offensive line age/injuries, Clinton Portis getting destroyed from 6000 carries per season, and a change on the defensive side.

I'm not trying to kill Gibbs. While I don't agree with a lot of his philosophies and stances in life, I certainly respect them and he's done nothing but good for mankind. He's an amazing leader with an uncanny gift to lead. I just don't think football is a place for him anymore. After he quit the skins, it looks like he was 10 years younger after about two months. Football requires a dedication that consumes all of an individuals time and energy, he doesn't need that anymore -- I'm worried it would kill him, to be completely honest.

Keep racing. Enjoy your family. Hang out on that lake in South Carolina, and answer Danny's calls when he needs some real advice. Besides that, enjoy 'retirement.'

To whoever said if you can build a great racing team you can build a great football team. Come on. The difficulty of assembling an NFL team vs. assembling a NASCAR team isn't even comparable. His position in NASCAR is basically spend a lot of money, get a few amazing engineers, and hope for a lot of luck on race day. It's all about having the best equipment out there, something a salary cap and contracts greatly limit in the NFL.

The Team President's main role is to oversee the hiring/firing of a General Manager and/or a Head Coach. The General Manager's main duty is player acquisition. The head coach is (or should be) responsible for building his coaching staff around him, some input into player acquisition, and of course coaching the team.

If Joe Gibbs is hired as a Team President, he would not be directly involved with player acquisition. Whoever the GM is would be mainly responsible for that. Since Joe Gibbs is great with surrounding himself around the right people to have the best chance at succeeding, then I think personally this position as Team President would be right up his alley.

[MTK]

I think plenty of good reasons have been tossed out there as to why Gibbs coming back is a good idea, you just don't agree.

[freddyg12]

Maybe Gibbs is the only guy that can either convince the Danny to get rid of Vinny & his current FO structure, or do it himself as team pres. Either way, I can't see that Danny talking to Gibbs can do anything worse to the state of this team. Distractions don't matter much when the team is already sinking fast.

Both danny & Gibbs are smart men that have learned some things in their time since 04. The Danny sees that he's got to make some major changes hopefully. Gibbs learned how today's nfl runs in his 4 years under the danny.

Having stepped away from it he is in a unique position to critique the organization and consult on how to repair it. My only fear in all this is that Gibbs comes back in some capacity only to eventually be thrown to the wolves in a no win situation. Remember, Sherm Lewis was hired as a "consultant" but is now calling plays.

[celts32]

Thanks SC! I love Coach Joe and think he could help but I am not sure I want him involved in this mess anymore. I was happy that he was able to get out with his legacy and reputation intact and I would like to keep it that way.

[Nomad]

We don't need Gibb's in any fashion! When Gibbs was here, and running things the second time, who did he bring in outside of Sean Taylor who is gone, thats panned out, Jason Campbell, Carlos Rogers, ARE, Joe Bugel, (which someone needs to tell him, that that 1980 Scheme isn't working in the year 20 09, if he was here, we wouldnt have D-Hall, which has worked out great, he is getting votes for the Pro Bowl, we wouldn't have Haynesworth, which under the guidence of a great defense Coordinator, wow. Mike Sellers, who is a great special teams player, but when it come to being a fullback, he is not selling out that big body, he is a over-rated, watch run against the Chief's, he blocking up field and falls down to a DB, and Portis gets tackled, result....FG, we need to clean house of all of Joe Gibbs aquisitions, bring in a whole new staff, from GM, HC, OC, DC, STC, take the best of what we got, build a line first on offense, signed Campbell to a one year deal, Draft anyone except "Bradford" in two years our offense should catch up with the Defense, because its said we are not a top 10 team with the talent we have, we on our way to a 4-12 season, and we wont even be a top 5 draft team, which says how said we are as team, cause those other teams, dont have any talent. Bottom line. Pass on any Gibbs help. Start fresh

[Chico23231]

Gibbs has moved on, let everybody here do so as well.

[RedskinPete]

Letting GW go was a mistake...really could he have been any more a loser then things are now? Who really needs to go is Vinny !!!! He killed the 49ers and he is doing the same here!

[KLHJ2]

Fuck it who cares!

[Beemnseven]

Joe Gibbs cannot escape blame for some idiotic personnel moves when he was Team President. For anyone to imply that everything he did was golden is denying reality.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Joe Gibbs cannot escape blame for some idiotic personnel moves when he was Team President. For anyone to imply that everything he did was golden is denying reality.

I don't think anyone is implying that. What Gibbs did is bring back is winning and playoffs back to Washington. He brought back pride in being a Redskin. That is what makes him golden.
Winning football games is what it is all about.
Gibbs is gone and Snyderatto has been calling the shots the last two years and we are back to being a terrible team. So that ultimate blame goes to Snyderatto, if you believe otherwise you are denying reality.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I don't think anyone is implying that. What Gibbs did is bring back is winning and playoffs back to Washington. He brought back pride in being a Redskin. That is what makes him golden.
Winning football games is what it is all about.
Gibbs is gone and Snyderatto has been calling the shots the last two years and we are back to being a terrible team. So that ultimate blame goes to Snyderatto, if you believe otherwise you are denying reality.

I beg to differ. Gibbs was here for four years and most definitely had say in personnel decisions and the direction of the organization. As far as I'm concerned, he's just as complicit as Snyderatto. That too is reality.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I beg to differ. Gibbs was here for four years and most definitely had say in personnel decisions and the direction of the organization. As far as I'm concerned, he's just as complicit as Snyderatto. That too is reality.

Did you even read my post. First sentence I said "I don't think anyone is implying that." In reply to Beenseven post, " Joe Gibbs cannot escape blame for some idiotic personnel moves when he was Team President. For anyone to imply that everything he did was golden is denying reality."

I was saying (YES!) Gibbs cannot escape part of the blame for some of the really bad personnel moves. You are so bent on your rant to blame Gibbs you did not even notice I was agreeing with part blaming Gibbs for our mess. Wipe the steam from your glasses man.
My point was Gibbs brought back winning, playoffs and respect to the Redskins. That is all.
Snyderatto in less than two years since Gibbs left has crashed us into the ground. Personnel issues is not the only thing to blame here, it is also the leadership of our FO and the coaching mess that was created AFTER GIBBS LEFT. You know, the hiring a offensive coordinator first before hiring a HC. Then giving Zorn the HC position after the best candidates passed on the job, then later stripping Zorn of his man-hood. Talk about style points that takes the cake. Not to mention all the other stuff Snyderatto has done this year that do not need to be repeated.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I don't think anyone is implying that. What Gibbs did is bring back is winning and playoffs back to Washington. He brought back pride in being a Redskin. That is what makes him golden.
Winning football games is what it is all about.
Gibbs is gone and Snyderatto has been calling the shots the last two years and we are back to being a terrible team. So that ultimate blame goes to Snyderatto, if you believe otherwise you are denying reality.

I want to add one more thing. Sometimes I get the impression that Skins fans are more concerned about style points than actually winning. Like you know, if Joe Gibbs comes back and we're still losers but he restores this sense of "pride", it somehow makes it all better. Hey we suck, but at least Gibbs is here. I couldn't care less who's here, I just want this team to win and I'm not convinced that Gibbs wouldn't end up being more of an impediment than actually moving the ball forward in a meaningful way.

I can tell you this, if Gibbs comes back, in any capacity, the pressure will be unbelievably high. The fans will expect instant results. No five or three year plan to right the ship. That's the downside to bringing Gibbs back, in my opinion.