The Tempered Expectations Thread

[SmootSmack]

As for Snyder's involvement, I think some people have a really naive expectation of how involved he should be. The guy is the owner of the team. He's not some dude from Kentucky posting on a message board about the Redskins. I think people expect him to be as involved with the team as any of us.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As for Snyder's involvement, I think some people have a really naive expectation of how involved he should be. The guy is the owner of the team. He's not some dude from Kentucky posting on a message board about the Redskins. I think people expect him to be as involved with the team as any of us.

Do you see him having any say in personnel decisions anymore?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Do you see him having any say in personnel decisions anymore?

I'm sure he'll give his opinions. But he will, as he has much much more often than not the past several years, defer the final decision.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As for Snyder's involvement, I think some people have a really naive expectation of how involved he should be. The guy is the owner of the team. He's not some dude from Kentucky posting on a message board about the Redskins. I think people expect him to be as involved with the team as any of us.

Snyder shouldn't have any involvment in determining the makeup of our roster. He also shouldn't have close personal relationships with any of the players. The point at which either of those statements is no longer true is the point that this team will start spiraling downhill (again).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Snyder shouldn't have any involvment in determining the makeup of our roster. He also shouldn't have close personal relationships with any of the players. The point at which either of those statements is no longer true is the point that this team will start spiraling downhill (again).

We'll agree to disagree

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll agree to disagree

Why should Snyder have involvement in determining the roster? If Snyder wants Chad Ochocinco, should he make Shanahan and Allen go out and get him? That's exactly the sort of behavior that has turned our franchise into a laughing stock.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why should Snyder have involvement in determining the roster? If Snyder wants Chad Ochocinco, should he make Shanahan and Allen go out and get him? That's exactly the sort of behavior that has turned our franchise into a laughing stock.

What if he simply asks MS or Allen about getting Ocho. I don't think he has "made someone" go out and get a player, but I could be wrong. I don't see why he can't discuss things, as long as Allen/MS are not intimidated into "ds wants we go get thinking" which is what VC too often was accused of, and closer to the problem. I think DS can come and discuss anything, and BA/MS will simply listen respectfully and make the decision they think is best. It wouldn't shock me if once in a while, DS even made valuable suggestions that they decide to use.

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why should Snyder have involvement in determining the roster? If Snyder wants Chad Ochocinco, should he make Shanahan and Allen go out and get him? That's exactly the sort of behavior that has turned our franchise into a laughing stock.

On an nfl.com interview.(Cant link for another 15 posts) Shanny says toward the end I think, he has final say but will take the advice of others. He also states he had that power in Denver but never used it. It may be word games but at least Snyder as acknowledged his involvement has been a problem and at least is trying to create the perception he is backing off.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why should Snyder have involvement in determining the roster? If Snyder wants Chad Ochocinco, should he make Shanahan and Allen go out and get him? That's exactly the sort of behavior that has turned our franchise into a laughing stock.

We must have different opinions of the definition of "involved"

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Snyder shouldn't have any involvment in determining the makeup of our roster. He also shouldn't have close personal relationships with any of the players. The point at which either of those statements is no longer true is the point that this team will start spiraling downhill (again).

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with an owner who has personal relationships with players. Look at Bob Kraft/Tom Brady. In fact, it would be close to impossible for an owner not to have said relationships.

The point is that the owner should not engage in those relationships in a way that undercuts the authority of the FO. That has been the problem. Hopefully those days are gone with the Redskins. Hopefully.

[MTK]

I think the minute Snyder tries to take back any power is when everything will fall apart. I don't see Shanahan or Allen going for that at all.

[freddyg12]

My fear w/the new regime is that it is too similar in personel philosophy to the old one. I'm speaking about Shanny more so than Allen. In denver, they spent a lot of $ & brought in older players just like Synderatto has here.

I hope that there isn't a 'group think' environment where all the decision makers agree. That could lead to some more of the past. I'm encouraged that Shanny said he wants to be challenged by his scouts. And he & Allen's time away from the game has hopefully given them time to reflect and refresh; making them wiser & more methodical. This team needs a methodical, calculated, disciplined & rational approach to the future.

Even under Gibbs there was a belief that they were just a couple players away from a SB. That approach was often true in Gibbs heyday w/no cap or free agency when rosters were very stable year to year. In the cap era that approach doesn't work for a no. of reasons.

Bottom line; I need to be convinced that this team will build through the draft & not squander picks, I don't care who is running the team. Vinny gave this lip service, yet this year we are w/out a 6th round pick & last year were w/out a 2nd round pick, all for a guy that's back w/the team he left us for.

[Player_HTTR]

I like to call it cautious optimism. I am holding out full-fledged homerism until I see the coaching staff put in place and some roster moves made. I don't have any specific moves in mind but if we can get some draft picks for one or a few underachieving vetrans (Landry, Portis, Rogers, (maybe Campbell but I wouldn't hate it if he was back)) and the ones we don't part with get a fire lit under them.

Not looking for 9-7 or even 8-8 at this point, anything better than 0-6 in division and being consistently competative.

Our secondary needs some serious coaching up, sorry Jerry please go somewhere else, they can't cover anything but their faces in shame and tackle like an epileptic penguin(looking at you Landry). Unless somone is half a step out of bounds running away Landry can't land a solid hit since being mowed over by BJ.

We all know the OL problems, I am not worried that they and the rest of the "offensive" issue will be adressed now.

I digressed a little there and combined about three posts into one, I am happy with new direction and hope my renewd faith isn't crushed once again.

[Longtimefan]

It won't be long before we will begin to get answers to all our questions and concerns. After all is said and done, all the speculating ends, the bottom line will surface in the won loss record. All the moves will be the right ones if the team becomes a winning one, if not we're back to square one.The only thing that's going to keep the question and uncertainty away is winning football games BL. Pray for winning!!...Just pray that we win!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

It won't be long before we will begin to get answers to all our questions and concerns. After all is said and done, all the speculating ends, the bottom line will surface in the won loss record. All the moves will be the right ones if the team becomes a winning one, if not we're back to square one.The only thing that's going to keep the question and uncertainty away is winning football games BL. Pray for winning!!...Just pray that we win!!

Agreed. Trying to dissect things right now is a little pointless (but of course what else are we here for?). The proof will be in the pudding.