The end of the three point stance?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Angry

How many offensive and defensive lineman in history have ever either gotten a concussion or left the game because of one? I cannot think of any. It seems to me that this is just lip service from the commissioner to keep congress from breathing down the NFL's neck.

There was that play when Warren Sapp got a blind side hit on Chad Clifton and if I remember right that was far away from the play on an INT. However that was long after the initial contact that came from firing out of a three point stance and the rule was addressed that off-season.

On November 24, 2002, at Raymond James Stadium, Sapp drew criticism for blocking the Green Bay Packers' Chad Clifton during an interception return by the Buccaneers. Clifton was jogging down field, away from the main action, and was blindsided by Sapp.[7] The hit sent Clifton to the hospital. He was hospitalized for almost a week and could not walk unaided for five more weeks. In 2005, the NFL Competition Committee agreed on new guidelines for "unnecessary roughness", making hits such as that suffered by Clifton illegal.

[MTK]

I think the title of this article is a tad misleading and seems to have people in a tizzy. If you read the article it says he's not ruling out the idea of banning the 3 point stance... not that anything is in the works to do so like the title suggests. Relax folks, he's just keeping his options open. This would be a pretty drastic change and I don't see it happening.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the title of this article is a tad misleading and seems to have people in a tizzy. If you read the article it says he's not ruling out the idea of banning the 3 point stance... not that anything is in the works to do so like the title suggests. Relax folks, he's just keeping his options open. This would be a pretty drastic change and I don't see it happening.

Options like this need to be closed ASAP.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the title of this article is a tad misleading and seems to have people in a tizzy. If you read the article it says he's not ruling out the idea of banning the 3 point stance... not that anything is in the works to do so like the title suggests. Relax folks, he's just keeping his options open. This would be a pretty drastic change and I don't see it happening.

Yeah and he basically can't (shouldn't) say something like "No way we'd ever do that." But it's easy to hate on the man.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Yeah and he basically can't (shouldn't) say something like "No way we'd ever do that." But it's easy to hate on the man.

Honestly I don't get the haters when it comes to Goodell. He's made a pretty smooth transition over from Tagliabue and done some good things in his short time as commish. I like that he's taken a firm stance with a lot of issues including player conduct.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Honestly I don't get the haters when it comes to Goodell. He's made a pretty smooth transition over from Tagliabue and done some good things in his short time as commish. I like that he's taken a firm stance with a lot of issues including player conduct.

my biggest beef with him is his obbsession with trying to take the nfl to other countries. i really can't stand that and think it is absolutly retarded, there is no way in hell manchester united would ever play a meaningful game in the united states.

i really don't mind what he is doing with the player conduct because that has been long overdue

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Honestly I don't get the haters when it comes to Goodell. He's made a pretty smooth transition over from Tagliabue and done some good things in his short time as commish. I like that he's taken a firm stance with a lot of issues including player conduct.

Wanting to take more games overseas, maybe a team, the SUPER FREAKING BOWL, etc.. too much for me. The fines for criticizing officiating, etc

Tag was more about the players and the game itself than the image to the outsiders

[MTK]

Clips worth watching regarding concussions

YouTube - Real Sports 1

YouTube - Real Sports 2

[SmootSmack]

Do people really believe that linemen have never gotten concussions during their playing days nor suffered long-term affects after their careers are over? Football is a brutal, violent sport any players at all positions (save for maybe punter and kicker) have felt damaging affects long after their careers are over. And in the cases of some, their lives haven't lasted long past their careers. Football is a tough sport and should be, but that doesn't mean it needs to be deadly and dangerous.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do people really believe that linemen have never gotten concussions during their playing days nor suffered long-term affects after their careers are over? Football is a brutal, violent sport any players at all positions (save for maybe punter and kicker) have felt damaging affects long after their careers are over. And in the cases of some, their lives haven't lasted long past their careers. Football is a tough sport and should be, but that doesn't mean it needs to be deadly and dangerous.

Most of the problems I hear with lineman post-football are related to their backs and hands. I agree we need to make the game safer, but I honestly don't believe making it illegal to get in a three point stance is a way to do that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Most of the problems I hear with lineman post-football are related to their backs and hands. I agree we need to make the game safer, but I honestly don't believe making it illegal to get in a three point stance is a way to do that.

Here are two examples for you

ESPN Classic - Former Steeler Webster dies at age 50

"Webster was the last of the 22 Steelers who played on all four Super Bowl championship teams to leave the team, and the first to die. He refused to leave the lineup even for serious injuries, once playing six straight seasons without missing a snap.

However, that tough-guy insistence on playing hurt may have led to the brain damage. Webster's doctors said the concussions during his career damaged his frontal lobe, causing cognitive dysfunction."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/sp...l/15brain.html

[JoeRedskin]

^^ Apparently, according to the clips Matty linked, the doctors hired by the NFL do.

[MTK]

C'mon folks, you don't think there's any serious head trauma going on along the lines during games? Guys crash into each other full force on the snap, helmets collide, guys are falling to the ground getting kicked, kneed, and elbowed.

As I said earlier, research is coming out that says all the small collisions during games add up and are perhaps more damaging over time than the big ones. At least with the big ones guys are held out to heal. With the smaller collisions guys don't even know they could be hurt and keep playing.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

C'mon folks, you don't think there's any serious head trauma going on along the lines during games? Guys crash into each other full force on the snap, helmets collide, guys are falling to the ground getting kicked, kneed, and elbowed.

As I said earlier, research is coming out that says all the small collisions during games add up and are perhaps more damaging over time than the big ones. At least with the big ones guys are held out to heal. With the smaller collisions guys don't even know they could be hurt and keep playing.

Without a doubt those mini collisions cause damage over time. The problem is that those mini collisions along the line are inherant to football and the only way to remove them completely is to ban blocking and line play. That will remove those kind of injuries but the game wont be football anymore.

While I've never seen any studies about the pads & helmets I have wondered if the hard plastic shells used cause the players to hit harder (in any collision) because they feel so protected thereby magnifying the collision's result.

[Lotus]

Some day football will be played by easily-repaired robots. I can't wait for the 2125 Super Bowl!