Time to Build an Offensive Line

[tryfuhl]

Also in for a "2nd tier" tackle selection in Charles Brown or similar

Guys to consider but not be only option at their spots (aka if we can't get a younger starter): Mawae and Pitts .. doesn't get us much younger, but it puts someone there competent until our younger guys/draft picks/future picks can start

[SBXVII]

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...discussed.html

Just kidding. LOL.

This is a good thread especially since this is a position in need of a drastic upgrade.

[MTK]

I wouldn't mind keeping Heyer around as a backup. Not sure he's cut out for guard.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I wouldn't mind keeping Heyer around as a backup. Not sure he's cut out for guard.

id think heyer is too tall to play guard. i couldnt see a qb getting a good look down the field with a 6'5 (?) heyer standing there in the middle.

every time i see him on our sideline he stands out as the tallest skins player.

30gut - your right, i forgot he was injured all year. good find

[MTK]

Dockery is also 6'6 so I don't think height alone is the issue. Heyer's build is that of a classic tackle. Long arms and a lanky type of build (at least when compared to your typical guard). Power isn't his game either.

[over the mountain]

dang dock is 6'6? i didnt go to a game this year so i didnt get a good look at our guys in person. years past heyer was always noticably the tallest.

well i thought you wanted guards to not be so tall since they block in the middle part of the pocket. i figured a tall guard would maybe diminish some of the qbs view of the field. i thought tackles could be taller b/c they work on the outside and need longer arms to keep pass rushers from getting into the inside leverage of a tackle.

guess i was wrong about that guard thing. gallery seems like a tall mofo too and i dont remember any complaints about his height when he moved to guard.

[Ruhskins]

Just as I suspected (by reading these posts), just about every FA offensive lineman that we could get (UFAs) are over the age of 30. While a number of them could play very well and would be huge upgrades over our current players, I think by filling all of the holes in the line with 30+ year old lineman, you're at risk of having injured starters.

I just feel that we've been gambling on patching up the line with older players for a while now. And the downside of this year is that we aren't able to pick up a marquee lineman in his mid to late 20s (i.e. Marcus McNeill) because RFA rules due to the uncapped season, without giving up draft picks.

It seems like everyone wants to get young at every position except the line (see the Jamal Lewis and Chester Taylor threads).

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Just as I suspected (by reading these posts), just about every FA offensive lineman that we could get (UFAs) are over the age of 30. While a number of them could play very well and would be huge upgrades over our current players, I think by filling all of the holes in the line with 30+ year old lineman, you're at risk of having injured starters.

I just feel that we've been gambling on patching up the line with older players for a while now. And the downside of this year is that we aren't able to pick up a marquee lineman in his mid to late 20s (i.e. Marcus McNeill) because RFA rules due to the uncapped season, without giving up draft picks.

Well, they definitely need to address the line in the draft but I just don't see a downside in bringing in Mawae. He is a leader on and off the field, he is still considered an All-pro, he just blocked for a 2000 yard rusher, he would absolutely be an upgrade over Rabach, and he could demonstrate to all of the lineman what it takes to be a pro.

I hear all of this stuff about 2-3 year rebuilding and I think it is bs. I think in an uncapped year they can make enough moves to get this team in the playoffs. They fixed the D-line in one year, they can fix the o-line in one year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Well, they definitely need to address the line in the draft but I just don't see a downside in bringing in Mawae. He is a leader on and off the field, he is still considered an All-pro, he just blocked for a 2000 yard rusher, he would absolutely be an upgrade over Rabach, and he could demonstrate to all of the lineman what it takes to be a pro.

I hear all of this stuff about 2-3 year rebuilding and I think it is bs. I think in an uncapped year they can make enough moves to get this team in the playoffs. They fixed the D-line in one year, they can fix the o-line in one year.

As I said, a lot of these guys would be upgrades, but still because of their age you risk injury. I mean, injuries happen, but due to RFA restrictions, it seems that we would need to fill all of our needs with linemen in their 30s. I would feel better if we could go after a Marcus McNeill in free agency (without having to give up draft picks).

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

As I said, a lot of these guys would be upgrades, but still because of their age you risk injury. I mean, injuries happen, but due to RFA restrictions, it seems that we would need to fill all of our needs with linemen in their 30s. I would feel better if we could go after a Marcus McNeill in free agency (without having to give up draft picks).

Injuries are a wild-card, especially on the line. I think it is just as likely that McNeill gets hurt as Mawae. Heyer is one of our youngest guys and he was hurt all year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Injuries are a wild-card, especially on the line. I think it is just as likely that McNeill gets hurt as Mawae. Heyer is one of our youngest guys and he was hurt all year.

Injuries are a wildcard, however it seems that this team goes into every season holding its breath and crossing their fingers hoping that their older talented offensive linemen don't get injured.

[GridIron26]

Use the first two picks to draft two Ts.. Draft Okung with #1 pick, then draft Brown with #2 pick (Campbell would be nice but I don't think he would drop that far).. If there are intriguing guards or a center prospects available later in late rounds, I would draft them..

I would try to sign Pasho to push the rookies for either spot.. I definitely would try to sign Mawae as band-aid for a year or maybe two?

I would retain Doc, Edwin Williams, Rabach, Rinehart, and Heyer..

Everybody (except for Doc and Mawae) battles for positions in the camp..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Well, they definitely need to address the line in the draft but I just don't see a downside in bringing in Mawae. He is a leader on and off the field, he is still considered an All-pro, he just blocked for a 2000 yard rusher, he would absolutely be an upgrade over Rabach, and he could demonstrate to all of the lineman what it takes to be a pro.

I hear all of this stuff about 2-3 year rebuilding and I think it is bs. I think in an uncapped year they can make enough moves to get this team in the playoffs. They fixed the D-line in one year, they can fix the o-line in one year.

I'm not buying it either. Is anyone really going to give MS a pass for another crap season in 2010? I want to see a strong indication that things are headed in the right direction right away in 2010, I'll be expecting .500 or better.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Just as I suspected (by reading these posts), just about every FA offensive lineman that we could get (UFAs) are over the age of 30. While a number of them could play very well and would be huge upgrades over our current players, I think by filling all of the holes in the line with 30+ year old lineman, you're at risk of having injured starters.

I just feel that we've been gambling on patching up the line with older players for a while now. And the downside of this year is that we aren't able to pick up a marquee lineman in his mid to late 20s (i.e. Marcus McNeill) because RFA rules due to the uncapped season, without giving up draft picks.

It seems like everyone wants to get young at every position except the line (see the Jamal Lewis and Chester Taylor threads).

In the QB vs OT at #4 argument, I think this is a strong point of yours. Drafting Bradford/Clausen would make it more difficult to get young on the OL. We can draft a QB at #4 and still put together a decent line but it would not be as young as it would if we took Okung.

[redskin4n]

I would prefer:

LT: Russel Okung
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Casey Rabach (We surround him with talent)
RG: Stephen Neal (Free Agency)
RT: Levi Jones