Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers

[skinsfan69]

Rogers has simply not lived up to expectations. He's just an average to below average NFL cb who can't catch and gets beat too much. But we need him cause what else is out on the street that's better?

[NYCskinfan82]

Keep him, we have bigger things to focus on like OL & LB.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Keep him, we having bigger things to focus on like OL & LB.

Why does it have to be either/or?

[tryfuhl]

oh my haha

[Daseal]

Carlos is a good starting CB in this league, and the best one on our team. The drops don't bother me. Sure, I wish he caught them. But at least he's in position for a pick rather than getting constantly burned. I think Blache caused more problems than he solved with his stubborn "My way or the highway" approach. It's necessary for a coach, in today's NFL, to be dynamic and work to the strengths of their players. Not try to slam a square player into a round hole.

Carlos will get beat sometimes, but find me a CB that doesn't. There won't be better corners on the street. Keep him for a while and spend the money on other positions where we don't have both talent and youth.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Carlos is a good starting CB in this league, and the best one on our team. The drops don't bother me. Sure, I wish he caught them. But at least he's in position for a pick rather than getting constantly burned. I think Blache caused more problems than he solved with his stubborn "My way or the highway" approach. It's necessary for a coach, in today's NFL, to be dynamic and work to the strengths of their players. Not try to slam a square player into a round hole.

Carlos will get beat sometimes, but find me a CB that doesn't. There won't be better corners on the street. Keep him for a while and spend the money on other positions where we don't have both talent and youth.

Exactly my thoughts..

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Carlos is a good starting CB in this league, and the best one on our team. The drops don't bother me. Sure, I wish he caught them. But at least he's in position for a pick rather than getting constantly burned. I think Blache caused more problems than he solved with his stubborn "My way or the highway" approach. It's necessary for a coach, in today's NFL, to be dynamic and work to the strengths of their players. Not try to slam a square player into a round hole.

Carlos will get beat sometimes, but find me a CB that doesn't. There won't be better corners on the street. Keep him for a while and spend the money on other positions where we don't have both talent and youth.

I don't get that.. That's like saying that incompletions for a QB or negative yardage runs for a RB or a DT that doesn't tackle people who run to his left 'don't bother me'. That's a HUGE part of his job!! Getting turnovers is a major factor in wins and losses. Just being in position isn't good enough, if you are there you have to make the play.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't get that.. That's like saying that incompletions for a QB or negative yardage runs for a RB or a DT that doesn't tackle people who run to his left 'don't bother me'. That's a HUGE part of his job!! Getting turnovers is a major factor in wins and losses. Just being in position isn't good enough, if you are there you have to make the play.

The point is there aren't much of opportunities for us to replace Rogers if we decide to let him go.. Rogers proved he can shut down #1 receivers (most of times - the only time I remember he couldn't was the Broncos game against Marshall).. If there's opportunity of having a corner that can cover excellent and makes play that is presented to us then go for it.. But the only opportunity is Dunta Robinson, for some reason, I just don't see us going after him..

The main point of cornerback is not to let receivers catch balls and score touchdowns..

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

The point is there aren't much of opportunities for us to replace Rogers if we decide to let him go.. Rogers proved he can shut down #1 receivers (most of times - the only time I remember he couldn't was the Broncos game against Marshall).. If there's opportunity of having a corner that can cover excellent and makes play that is presented to us then go for it.. But the only opportunity is Dunta Robinson, for some reason, I just don't see us going after him..

The main point of cornerback is not to let receivers catch balls and score touchdowns..

We will agree to disagree on Rogers and I am admittedly biased because I don't really care for him but he's done nothing that has deemed himself, in my eyes, as irreplaceable with pretty much any other mid level starting CB. As I stated earlier, of the 64 starting CB in the league I don't think he's in the top 30 or 40.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

We will agree to disagree on Rogers and I am admittedly biased because I don't really care for him but he's done nothing that has deemed himself, in my eyes, as irreplaceable with pretty much any other mid level starting CB. As I stated earlier, of the 64 starting CB in the league I don't think he's in the top 30 or 40.

if he's starting 64 and not in the top 40 then I'd love to hear your analysis on the ones in the bottom 24

not that you could name them

[over the mountain]

^^ i think your comment about corners getting burnt sometimes is what carlos was referring to when he said they kept going man and not changing. you stick a corner out there to play man every single snap and he is going to get burnt. moreso than if you switch it up somewhat.

can a corner be considered "burnt" on a play if he is in zone? i'm guessing so but it probably is not so clear cut as maning up and the reciever catching the ball on you.

[Son Of Man]

You have to tender him! Only get rid of Los if another team offers us a substantial offer in a trade.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

^^ i think your comment about corners getting burnt sometimes is what carlos was referring to when he said they kept going man and not changing. you stick a corner out there to play man every single snap and he is going to get burnt. moreso than if you switch it up somewhat.

can a corner be considered "burnt" on a play if he is in zone? i'm guessing so but it probably is not so clear cut as maning up and the reciever catching the ball on you.

well I don't know if it went to cb's as well but remember the report about laron going from watching the qb and then being told to watch the route?

that's probably why he gets killed on the double moves

but for carlos it's probably more just not having a good eye for the ball, even when he's tight on a guy lately he doesn't have great anticipation for the ball or doesn't make a good play on it

[JoeRedskin]

Calling Barnes a disappointment is a bit premature. I am not even sure this year is "critical". Sure, he should show progress, but come on - he was an f'ing rookie last year. Can we take some time to develop players before we toss them to the curb?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Calling Barnes a disappointment is a bit premature. I am not even sure this year is "critical". Sure, he should show progress, but come on - he was an f'ing rookie last year. Can we take some time to develop players before we toss them to the curb?

I agree. We were spoiled with Champ and Smoot, but both guys were first rounders. Just wish Rogers could make some game changing picks more often. Wish Smooty could get back into his old form too. I yearn for the "good ole days" when we had Green, Dishman, Richards, and Jesse Campbell. Yeah the safeties weren't the best, but they could pick some off occasionally.