Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

[Mc2guy]

Seems like Shanahan is a subscriber to that old prison adage...

"On day one, you walk up to biggest, baddest dude in the joint and a) become his bitch, or b) punch him in the face. Either way, you're making the point that you are not to be f**&^d with"

[murphy196]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

Seems like Shanahan is a subscriber to that old prison adage...

"On day one, you walk up to biggest, baddest dude in the joint and a) become his bitch, or b) punch him in the face. Either way, you're making the point that you are not to be f**&^d with"

I love it!!!

[Dlyne8r]

Discipline is one of the major missing ingredients for this team. Better to endure some short term financial pain for future long term success. CLEAN HOUSE and send the message that the leader of this asylum will NOT BE RUN BY THE INMATES!

[Dirtbag59]

I talked to my source in Idaho and he told me with absolute certainty that he has has never heard of Plummer missing a voluntary handball workout.

[JoeRedskin]

Part of Shanny's problem in Denver seemed to be his "I am a genius" ego. It's a tough line: Blinded By Ego v. Taking A Stance To Change Culture.

Again, this is one we as fans will just have to wait and see on. I think near the end of his tenure in Denver, Shanny was really scapegoating people particularly Def. Coord's - he went through 4 in his last 6 years. He is a fantastic coach, no doubt BUT even a fantastic coach needs to have some ability to question himself. I think near the end in Denver he simply refused to self-examine. According to the reports, however, he learned during his time off.

I got no problem with Shanny taking a hard-line stance. He's the coach and that's his perogative. If, however, he starts making decisions for the sole purpose of "You disagreed with me, therefore you're sh**", that could be problematic.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Part of Shanny's problem in Denver seemed to be his "I am a genius" ego. It's a tough line: Blinded By Ego v. Taking A Stance To Change Culture.

Again, this is one we as fans will just have to wait and see on. I think near the end of his tenure in Denver, Shanny was really scapegoating people particularly Def. Coord's - he went through 4 in his last 6 years. He is a fantastic coach, no doubt BUT even a fantastic coach needs to have some ability to question himself. I think near the end in Denver he simply refused to self-examine. According to the reports, however, he learned during his time off.

I got no problem with Shanny taking a hard-line stance. He's the coach and that's his perogative. If, however, he starts making decisions for the sole purpose of "You disagreed with me, therefore you're sh**", that could be problematic.

Yeah, it's no secret that his last 3 years coaching were nothing to write home about. In fact, they were already at home since they didn't make it to the playoffs. I too hold promise that he figured that he can't be the only guy running the show. He should definitely be able to get our club turned around, just hoping that once we hit that hill that we can roll right over it.

[Ruhskins]

From an ESPN chat with one of the Scouts Inc guy...

Matt Williamson (12:16 PM)
I really disapprove of Washington going to a 3-4. Just don't see the logic in it and thought their D was quite good last year. Plus, ALL THE $$$ they just spent on Haynesworth!!!! Anyways, I think Kemoeatu (if healthy) will play the nose and Big Al will play DE. I also think that Big Al could play ANY DL technique in ANY scheme and be a stud. Still, this isn't what you paid him for though! I also don't like Fletcher in a 3-4. Hopefully they still use a lot of their old scheme. Honestly, only Orakpo benefits in my mind.

[skinsfan69]

I'm getting tired of all the AH off season crap. Just get your ass in shape and be ready to ball come training camp. If Shanahan holds a grudge cause his DT isn't at voluntary workouts then too bad and get over it. You're never going to have 100% participation. Plummer is a different story cause he's the QB. Plus they had Cutler waiting in the wings. Plummers days were numbered whether he was at all the off season stuff or not.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

True, but what message would it send when you have every player on the team except ONE participating in the OTAs and workout program. Doesn't that signal that the ONE player is being treated differently?

I think MS is sending a message to the team: "I am fair, I am even-handed, I want equality." Primadonnas might not like that message, but the 52 other guys on the starting roster will appreciate that and it will prevent resentment in the locker room.

CP is a perfect example...clearly there is a ton of resentment toward CP from other players about the special treatment he has received over the years. MS is just letting folks know that he's not going to tolerate that. I think he'll make more allies from the players because of it, rather than enemies.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm getting tired of all the AH off season crap. Just get your ass in shape and be ready to ball come training camp. If Shanahan holds a grudge cause his DT isn't at voluntary workouts then too bad and get over it. You're never going to have 100% participation. Plummer is a different story cause he's the QB. Plus they had Cutler waiting in the wings. Plummers days were numbered whether he was at all the off season stuff or not.

Agree. If the guy comes in shape ready to play lights out and you dump him because he declined a "voluntary" camp, then at the end of the day we got a tougher HC and a weaker football team.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Agree. If the guy comes in shape ready to play lights out and you dump him because he declined a "voluntary" camp, then at the end of the day we got a tougher HC and a weaker football team.

Wiser words...

We can surmise all we want, but truly none of us know the gist of conversations between Al and the coaches/FO.

All I can really say is IF Albert has committed in word and deed to be the very best he can be this season (recognizing that likely means he'll train away from Redskins Park during involuntary) than Shanny/Allen will be very stupid and very culpable for looking to trade him. A committed Haynesworth is nearly priceless.

...I do worry Shanny has an ego so large his judgment can suffer. On the other hand I think his football intelligence is elite and if the good judgment is there he can lead us, or any team, to elite status.

[cdskins26]

I would love to see him get traded at this point. He had a below average season last year, appears to have no desire to address that, and is not only skipping workouts but complaining. As long as he is in washington, the dan snyder era will be forever remembered.

[tryfuhl]

I just find it strange how you guys will piggyback any negative AH report but when there was something about JC, a guy who HASN'T proven himself in the league, so many jump to his defense.

Once he's here, what he shows us will tell us if his plan was worth it. Like I've said, the guy probably had his offseason training plan coordinated (and maybe paid for) before ours was even laid out. Chill out guys.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I just find it strange how you guys will piggyback any negative AH report but when there was something about JC, a guy who HASN'T proven himself in the league, so many jump to his defense.

Once he's here, what he shows us will tell us if his plan was worth it. Like I've said, the guy probably had his offseason training plan coordinated (and maybe paid for) before ours was even laid out. Chill out guys.

Actually both JC and AH get the same response honestly. From all the complaints that everyone has, honestly I have yet to see a reliable source that corroborates that there's a rift and that there's a huge problem ready to blow up. Honestly, I think AH will stay put and you'll see him at the mini camp in April.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Actually both JC and AH get the same response honestly. From all the complaints that everyone has, honestly I have yet to see a reliable source that corroborates that there's a rift and that there's a huge problem ready to blow up. Honestly, I think AH will stay put and you'll see him at the mini camp in April.

Haynesworth apparently won't be there as to not cause a "distraction"

Redskins Insider - Haynesworth to skip Redskins voluntary workouts, attend mandatory sessions

[44ever]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Haynesworth apparently won't be there as to not cause a "distraction"

Redskins Insider - Haynesworth to skip Redskins voluntary workouts, attend mandatory sessions

The frustrating thing is, why get a guy like AH who is a natural Pro Bowl DT and ask him to play NT? It seems extremely self destructive to me. If in fact it is true.