Different Season, Same Trap

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

All that does is state that it can happen, and we actually could be lowballing projections for the Wins department! thats all. and if there is a coach that could make a drastic turnaround like that, Id take shanny any day of the week, and twice on sundays!

[Longtimefan]

I'm just hoping my rooting for McNabb now that he's a Redskin will yield better results than the times I rooted for him as an Eagle.

After rooting for Donovan in every big game he's played in and been dissapointed more often than not, I can imagine what it must have been like for Eagle fans. I won't find it odd rooting for him now that he's here, and if he can stay healthy he will improve our W/L record........to what extent I'm not sure.

I'll continue to be optomistic about the team's ability to improve until there's clear evidence to the contrary.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

I bet you wear Dale Hanson PJ's

[CRedskinsRule]

Wow, I am still not sold on the Skins transformation, but if it could be any more poorly described, I am not sure how.

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Let's see we cut 10 "good team players" before free agency. Not a cost saving move or cap saving move, purely a football ability and team direction move. Not really the same face at all

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

You won't get me making a huge defense for McNabb, at the same time a 34yo QB who was in the PB very recently, and has led his team to the playoffs and was released because of his team's decision and was not a FA looking for a big payday.

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

Wow, I bet I go to any fan board and they are talking about how their team will be competitive. This is a shocking situation.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

2002-2003 Dallas 5-11 to 10-6
1989-1990 Dallas 1-15 to 7-9
2007-2008 Miami 1-15 to 11-5 (nice you forgot that one)
1998-1999 Rams 3-13 to 13-3

So it has happened on occasion.

Really, your comments were that of a Dallas fan with no clue. You usually are better than that.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wow, I am still not sold on the Skins transformation, but if it could be any more poorly described, I am not sure how.

Let's see we cut 10 "good team players" before free agency. Not a cost saving move or cap saving move, purely a football ability and team direction move. Not really the same face at all
You won't get me making a huge defense for McNabb, at the same time a 34yo QB who was in the PB very recently, and has led his team to the playoffs and was released because of his team's decision and was not a FA looking for a big payday.

Wow, I bet I go to any fan board and they are talking about how their team will be competitive. This is a shocking situation.

2002-2003 Dallas 5-11 to 10-6
1989-1990 Dallas 1-15 to 7-9
2007-2008 Miami 1-15 to 11-5 (nice you forgot that one)
1998-1999 Rams 3-13 to 13-3

So it has happened on occasion.

Really, your comments were that of a Dallas fan with no clue. You usually are better than that.

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: We don't know who is going to be on the roster yet.
THREE: The only thing that has happened thus far is the ink is still wet on a couple of contracts, and the guys have only been lifting weights together for about 10 days now.
FOUR: Not one practice has occured. McNabb "played catch" with Cooley and Kelly.

But allow me to enlighted you on one particular fact. Those 10 payers that the Redskins cut, it was most certainly a cost saving measure. To think otherwise just advertises that it is you that has no clue.

At the end of the day, what has really transpired thus far?
Released 10 players
Signed 8 players thus far and only ONE of those players is under 30 (but will turn 30 mid-season)

I agree, to a point, with the threads topic. SSDD. All the free-agents, and trades acquired are all on the wrong side of 30.

I might be wrong, and for the fans sake I hope I am. But honestly, when you really look at what has transpired, besides coaching, what has changed?

Still trading draft picks for players on the wrong side of 30. Still signing free agents on the wrong side of 30.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: We don't know who is going to be on the roster yet.
THREE: The only thing that has happened thus far is the ink is still wet on a couple of contracts, and the guys have only been lifting weights together for about 10 days now.
FOUR: Not one practice has occured. McNabb "played catch" with Cooley and Kelly.

IF you had stopped here we would have been in FULL AGREEMENT

but you went on...

But allow me to enlighted you on one particular fact. Those 10 payers that the Redskins cut, it was most certainly a cost saving measure. To think otherwise just advertises that it is you that has no clue.

If you look at the players they cut, they could have been kept for minimal costs, but they were all players who, to a large degree were living on past recognition, or locker room presence. Most were players who should have been gone but previous regimes kept for whatever reason (sometimes cap). To think those specific 10 were cut solely for a cost saving measure is wrong.

At the end of the day, what has really transpired thus far?
Released 10 players
Signed 8 players thus far and only ONE of those players is under 30 (but will turn 30 mid-season)

I agree, to a point, with the threads topic. SSDD. All the free-agents, and trades acquired are all on the wrong side of 30.

I might be wrong, and for the fans sake I hope I am. But honestly, when you really look at what has transpired, besides coaching, what has changed?

Still trading draft picks for players on the wrong side of 30. Still signing free agents on the wrong side of 30.

What has changed is that we are not signing the highest price FA available, regardless of fit, and we are trading draft picks within what a reasonable FO would do. (possibly)

Finally, one big change is the fact that, as many threads have said, the culture of entitlement is being weeded out.

That is a far cry from the thinking that we bring in one Julius Peppers and think man now we have it all.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: blah blah blah...

We know we'll beat Dallas and Philly twice...there's 4 wins already.

[right21arm]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

hey, cowboys fan, you said it yourself. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEBN. so now i'm going to beat you up. skins 16-0.

[Dlyne8r]

And to add to the apparent euphoria, now this from a writer that never was bashful in bashing the ‘Skins (sometimes for good reason):

“…Thus far, the upgrades -- in front office personnel, coaching staff and quarterback -- have already returned the Redskins to being a contending team. The days of being the butt of jokes appear to be over. As are the days of coddling prima donnas, over-reaching for players past their primes, and parting with draft picks haphazardly…”

Jason La Canfora column-NFL.com

He went on further to say some very positive things about the recent evolution happening at Redskins Park. Has JLaC’s prescription for Hydrocodone been refilled or something?

[GusFrerotte]

Yeah this happens too often. I know we got a GM, but even with Donovan in the fold, our team is weak with a roster of underperformers so you can't believe we will go better than 10-6. 8-8 or 9-7 is my bet. 10-6 is not out of range in my opinion, but our Wr corp has to be much improved as well as our D. I think it is great to be optimistic, but with the letdowns we all have experienced we need to temper it down a bit. That way if they do only have around a 500 record it isn't much of a disappointment, and if they do get double digit wins we can be totally elated.

[CultBrennan59]

I say we go 7-9

[SmootSmack]

Tough to say how we'll do because key roles on the roster are not set yet. I do imagine that this team will put more effort than we saw in games like Detroit and KC last year.

I'm still not sure how McNabb is "past his prime" Is it because of his age? Because when I look at his numbers the past couple of years I don't see a guy past his prime

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Tough to say how we'll do because key roles on the roster are not set yet. I do imagine that this team will put more effort than we saw in games like Detroit and KC last year.

I'm still not sure how McNabb is "past his prime" Is it because of his age? Because when I look at his numbers the past couple of years I don't see a guy past his prime

seriously and how is he so over priced, the way i see it we got a 6 time pro bowl qb for 11 mil i don't think that is over priced, he is one of the top ten qb's in the league and he is now a redskin i just don't see how you can consider this a bad move.

i will not however drink the koolaide and say we are gonne win 12 games this year, i just don't see that happening but i do see an improvement if we had mcnabb and shanny last year we could have won 10 or 11 games, this season we have a lot harder schedule though

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Tough to say how we'll do because key roles on the roster are not set yet. I do imagine that this team will put more effort than we saw in games like Detroit and KC last year.

I'm still not sure how McNabb is "past his prime" Is it because of his age? Because when I look at his numbers the past couple of years I don't see a guy past his prime

I have an appointment scheduled with Dr. Shields at Wills Eye Hospital in Philly next thursday morning at 9:00 AM. I can't wait for the opportunity to discuss the McNabb trade with a few of my die-hard Philly fan friends. My Nephew works at the Pharmacy directly across the street from the hospital, and swears McNabb was the best thing that ever happened in Philly including all their sports franchises.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm still not sure how McNabb is "past his prime" Is it because of his age? Because when I look at his numbers the past couple of years I don't see a guy past his prime

If his prime was 15th-20th in the league, he's still in that range.

I do think his 2009 QB rating makes him look a LOT better than he really was this season. I think he played with more confidence and made better throws as the year went on, but that ended up being short lived with the two Dallas games at the end of the year. I thought Philadelphia would win both of those games, but McNabb didn't play his best, and it's my conclusion that Philadelphia is better off not tying it's fortunes to fluctuations in McNabb's passing performance.