The Supreme Court and guns

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The NBPP certainly can and should have been charged in a Civil case. The Voter Intimidation laws are not weak and the NBPP violations are clear and documented.

From one of the links, the writer worked in the Civil Right Division of DoJ and has first-hand knowledge of the process.

"First of all, although the Civil Rights Division has a Criminal Section, the vast majority of its voting-rights prosecutions are civil cases conducted by the division’s Voting Section. Whenever someone violates the Voting Rights Act and does so in a way that is potentially both a civil and a criminal violation, the division must decide whether to proceed first with a civil or a criminal case. With most voting cases, the decision is usually to go with a civil case, particularly if there are elections coming up in the near future. That is because civil cases have a lower burden of proof and give the government the opportunity to obtain almost immediately a temporary injunction to stop the defendants from engaging in the same wrongful behavior as the case winds its way through the federal courts.

Criminal cases can take longer to develop, particularly since the government usually has to convene a federal grand jury to return an indictment. Also, criminal cases focus like a laser beam on individual defendants, whereas civil cases can include an organizational defendant (like the NBPP).

The focus for the Civil Rights Division is always on the best way to get the remedy that is needed to stop and prevent the recurrence of the voter intimidation or other wrongful behavior as soon as possible. In this particular case, when the decision was being made in January of 2009, the division knew there was going to be another election in May in Philadelphia. The fastest to way to make sure there would be no thugs in paramilitary uniforms and jackboots smacking batons into their fists at polling places in the upcoming election was to file a civil complaint and obtain a restraining order against the individual defendants and the New Black Panther Party. In fact, one of the defendants dismissed from the case was once again credentialed as a Democratic poll watcher in the May election.

Once the division obtained a judgment and an injunction in the civil case, they could have decided to further pursue a criminal prosecution against the individual New Black Panthers, but the number one priority had to be getting a civil injunction as expeditiously as possible before the next election.

If the law wasn't so weak they wouldn't have to peruse a civil case because it's "easier." You make the civil case a slam dunk when it absolutely isn't.

[dmek25]

You Tube

is this ok?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

YouTube - Want this in the US Senate?

is this ok?

If the carrying of firearms in the way they were on the video is legal in that particular state/municipality then yes, it's OK. This was either a local parade or campaign rally, not a polling place.

[dmek25]

i didnt mean was it legal. kids were all over the place. does it send the right message?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i didnt mean was it legal. kids were all over the place. does it send the right message?

In Miller's state, considering he's running on a conservative platform, yes. From a safety perspective, I'm by no means an expert on guns so I could be wrong, but the rifles appeared unloaded.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i didnt mean was it legal. kids were all over the place. does it send the right message?

And what message does it send to you, be a pussy and wait for the police to save you from criminals? Kids love guns! I did and so did all my friends.

Your rifle is but a tool. It is a hardened heart that kills.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

And what message does it send to you, be a pussy and wait for the police to save you from criminals? Kids love guns! I did and so did all my friends.

Your rifle is but a tool. It is a hardened heart that kills.

not the only tool, apparently

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by dmek25

not the only tool, apparently

What are you implying?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

What are you implying?

That he would perhaps enjoy doing something similar right outside of a polling place on election day.

[dmek25]

another word for a spaz. NOTE: a dingus is NOT a stupid person, because a dingus is someone who can make you laugh by doing stupid THINGS, but they are not stupid people. a stupid person is an idiot. idiot and dingus are different.
well well well

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by dmek25

another word for a spaz. NOTE: a dingus is NOT a stupid person, because a dingus is someone who can make you laugh by doing stupid THINGS, but they are not stupid people. a stupid person is an idiot. idiot and dingus are different.
well well well

Stupid is as stupid does.