Andy Reid names Michael Vick as team's starting quarterback

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Without knowing Micheal Vick personally before or after he entered prison I cannot speak to jail reforming him.

What I can agree with you on is that he seems to be taking his professional career much more serious, but at the same time only time will tell if the lessons he learned while he was in prison will have a lasting effect on him or if he will revert back to what was percieved to be a pompous, arrogant, and above the law asshole that he used to be.

It will be interesting to see what happens to MV if he does do well this year, becuase we all know that some team out there will reward him with a another decent size contract. Remember all of you, Micheal is in a contract year. Time will tell how serious he is about his career.

[Hog1]

BTW. I do not disagree with Reid's decision either

[MTK]

Vick is clearly back to his old self and the scary thing is he might be even better than he was. And he has plenty of weapons.

[tdSKINS1]

I've rooted for Vick every since I was younger going to see him in Lane Stadium and I've said since the start of his release from prison that he deserves another shot at being a starting QB in this league. I'm not saying this guy made the best decisions in life but I think everyone needs to realize that he did do his time, he admitted his mistakes, and hasn't done anything recently except shut his mouth and let his playing do the talking. And I don't condone dog killings at all.. I have a dog also but him growing up where he did and seeing what I bet none of us on this board ever would have to witness growing up I doubt it was that easy to walk away from a culture that was burned into him as a child.. just saying.

[SirClintonPortis]

Simply put, Vick gives the Eagles the benefits of a heavy duty running game without the Eagles needing to run much.

I'll bet Fat Andy will make some excuse to put in Kolb, but after 2-3 weeks of sucking, he caves in and goes with Vick.

[SolidSnake84]

I think this is the best move. Andy Reid is no dummy. Vick is recovered from his layoff, he obviously gives the offense a huge lift, and it seems like he knows the playbook better than Kolb for some reason.

If Vick stays healthy, he gives the Eagles their QB for the next 4 to 5 years, best case scenario 8 more years. I dont understand the knock on Vick for being 30 years old. All things considered he is a young 30 as he missed nearly 3 seasons..

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I think this is the best move. Andy Reid is no dummy. Vick is recovered from his layoff, he obviously gives the offense a huge lift, and it seems like he knows the playbook better than Kolb for some reason.

If Vick stays healthy, he gives the Eagles their QB for the next 4 to 5 years, best case scenario 8 more years. I dont understand the knock on Vick for being 30 years old. All things considered he is a young 30 as he missed nearly 3 seasons..

Because until he proves long term that he's a passer you're basically looking at a 30 year old running back. One of the biggest questions facing Vick right now is did he just put up these ridiculous numbers against a prevent defense and a bottom dweller. Remember two games is way to small a sample size. Two good games from Kolb is all it took to get McNabb traded, now we're looking at two good games from Vick.

Admittedly the prospect of him having developed as a passer is terrifying. I thought when the Eagles signed him they were getting a 50% passer that liked to run. I didn't think that Andy Reid was THAT good with QB's.

The bigger question though is how do the Eagles approach this if they do end up with a Pro Bowl Mike Vick on their hands. They obviously just signed Kolb to the extension in part because the Eagles always like to go young. Vick is still in bankruptcy and hypothetically if his play over the last two weeks carry's over to the rest of the season he'll be looking at something like a 5 year $60 million contract. He is one of those rare players where getting paid has to be more important then being part of a winning team. For example a typical NFL free agent has the luxury of sacrificing a million or two to sign with the right team. When you enter bankruptcy you don't have that luxury.

Then you have to wonder if the Eagles frugal ways will come to the forefront? Will a guy like Al Davis (who has to be kicking himself right now) enter the fold for a dynamic QB with a cannon for an arm? Then you have to wonder if he can succeed away from Reid in a dysfunctional organization like Oakland, Buffalo, maybe even Minnesota (God knows Arizona wouldn't be able to afford him). Obviously it's way to early to seriously be thinking about how this is going to end, but I'm praying that either Jacksonville or a certain Washington team can expose him and we can go back to laughing at the Eagles for giving us McNabb.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Because until he proves long term that he's a passer you're basically looking at a 30 year old running back. One of the biggest questions facing Vick right now is did he just put up these ridiculous numbers against a prevent defense and a bottom dweller. Remember two games is way to small a sample size. Two good games from Kolb is all it took to get McNabb traded, now we're looking at two good games from Vick.

Admittedly the prospect of him having developed as a passer is terrifying. I thought when the Eagles signed him they were getting a 50% passer that liked to run. I didn't think that Andy Reid was THAT good with QB's.

The bigger question though is how do the Eagles approach this if they do end up with a Pro Bowl Mike Vick on their hands. They obviously just signed Kolb to the extension in part because the Eagles always like to go young. Vick is still in bankruptcy and hypothetically if his play over the last two weeks carry's over to the rest of the season he'll be looking at something like a 5 year $60 million contract. He is one of those rare players where getting paid has to be more important then being part of a winning team. For example a typical NFL free agent has the luxury of sacrificing a million or two to sign with the right team. When you enter bankruptcy you don't have that luxury.

Then you have to wonder if the Eagles frugal ways will come to the forefront? Will a guy like Al Davis (who has to be kicking himself right now) enter the fold for a dynamic QB with a cannon for an arm? Then you have to wonder if he can succeed away from Reid in a dysfunctional organization like Oakland, Buffalo, maybe even Minnesota (God knows Arizona wouldn't be able to afford him). Obviously it's way to early to seriously be thinking about how this is going to end, but I'm praying that either Jacksonville or a certain Washington team can expose him and we can go back to laughing at the Eagles for giving us McNabb.

Small sample size for you but rember Andy gets to see them play everyday for the past two years. After watching Vick play last year I don't think anyone thought Vick could still play like he did but he has proven he can still play. Even if its a small sample we can all agree he has returned to the level he was before he got in trouble.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Admittedly the prospect of him having developed as a passer is terrifying. I thought when the Eagles signed him they were getting a 50% passer that liked to run. I didn't think that Andy Reid was THAT good with QB's.

If Vick humbled himself he would be an apt student for Reid's WCO.
Vick has every tangible trait a QB coach would love his upside was so obvious that i'm surprised people missed it.
But, for some reason I was basically in a 1 man argument against all extremeskins that Vick had upside.
Vick will probably never be as good as the QB Steve Young turned out to be, but the similiaities are obvious both left handed both were running QBs before they received top level coaching late in their careers. But, unlike Young, Vick was a winning QB even before he learned how to be an effecient passer.
I'm not going to hide the fact that i was a Vick fan and now i'm faced with rooting for my favorite non-Redskin to fail.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 30gut

If Vick humbled himself he would be an apt student for Reid's WCO.
Vick has every tangible trait a QB coach would love his upside was so obvious that i'm surprised people missed it.
But, for some reason I was basically in a 1 man argument against all extremeskins that Vick had upside.
Vick will probably never be as good as the QB Steve Young turned out to be, but the similiaities are obvious both left handed both were running QBs before they received top level coaching late in their careers. But, unlike Young, Vick was a winning QB even before he learned how to be an effecient passer.
I'm not going to hide the fact that i was a Vick fan and now i'm faced with rooting for my favorite non-Redskin to fail.

Ok he has had two good games so lets not make him King Vick until a few more games.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Ok he has had two good games so lets not make him King Vick until a few more games.

More good games than Kolb has had in his 4-year career.

[SolidSnake84]

I saw in the local Paper that Andy Reid said the decision was mostly based on the fact that he felt that Michael Vick has developed into a passer and has gotten himself away from the run first mentality.

[FRPLG]

I think it is the right football move but at the same time it shows how poorly run that team has been run for a few years now and how average Reid has become as a coach. They just spent an entire off-season trying to convince anyone who'd listen that a youth movement was afoot when there didn't seem a need to even have one and just 2 games into the season they bag it? They cut Kolb's knees out from under him. This couldn't have worked out any worse organizationally for them. Here again is prrof that they're one of those teams that is too smart for their own good.

[SolidSnake84]

Question is now, are they really believing that Vick is the future for that team? I mean if he plays well this season and the eagles make the playoffs, which they should, do they resign Michael Vick and let him battle with Kolb?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Question is now, are they really believing that Vick is the future for that team? I mean if he plays well this season and the eagles make the playoffs, which they should, do they resign Michael Vick and let him battle with Kolb?

Who they just gave a decent contract to over the summer?

How does this work for them? Vick plays well...they can't resign him because he'll cost too much. Or they do resign him and do what with Kolb? Now you are paying two guys to be your starting QB? I mean I understand it is about winning but at the same time it has been 2 games. I don't see how they came to an earth-shattering decision like this after 2 games. For god's sake just say Kolb is still banged up. Make something up so it doesn't look like you're benching the guy you just dumped your HOF QB for.