McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Redskins Insider - Donovan McNabb's agent blasts the Shanahans

Mike Shanahan responds to Fletcher Smith | ProFootballTalk

I was surprised there wasn't a thread on this yet.

I get what Fletcher Smith is doing. And I hear what Shanahan is saying. McNabb has said all the right things, but his agent works for him. If he didn't want Smith saying those things about KS and MS, Smith wouldn't have.

The Shanahans have blundered seriously this year. My way or the highway is okay to an extent, but you have to blend that kind of style with deft management of personalities (see New England. Same attitude, no leaks, no malcontents). And in that department, we have failed. They've acted like stubborn jerks at times this year, with ego prevailing.

I was hoping the Skins were finally being run by adults. I'm still not so sure. The dysfunction this year seems just as bad or worse as in year's past.

How have they blundered anything in regards to McNabb? What respect does he deserve? He is a 5-9 Redskins QB that has sucked all year. Why should MS respect a guy that won't run his system, or disagrees with plays that are called. An example would be me getting fired from my current company, and then rehired from another, and in the first year I disagree with how they run the company, and stop listening to my direct boss.... I would be fired immediately. Kudos to the way MS handles cry baby players, and kudos to Kyle for demanding DM benching.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Brody81

How have they blundered anything in regards to McNabb? What respect does he deserve? He is a 5-9 Redskins QB that has sucked all year. Why should MS respect a guy that won't run his system, or disagrees with plays that are called. An example would be me getting fired from my current company, and then rehired from another, and in the first year I disagree with how they run the company, and stop listening to my direct boss.... I would be fired immediately. Kudos to the way MS handles cry baby players, and kudos to Kyle for demanding DM benching.

Well, the knee jerk reaction of benching him in the Detroit game, and then the totally pathetic "reasoning" Shanahan came up with- he wasn't in "cardiovascular shape" to run the 2 minute drill, Rex knows it better, etc etc. That was a huge blunder IMO.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, the knee jerk reaction of benching him in the Detroit game, and then the totally pathetic "reasoning" Shanahan came up with- he wasn't in "cardiovascular shape" to run the 2 minute drill, Rex knows it better, etc etc. That was a huge blunder IMO.

Yes agreed. That was the start of the dumb sh*t. If Shanny and FO feel like McNabb is not a good fit the best moves would have been:

A) Shouldnt bench McNabb in the final drive and come up with lame ass excuse

B) Should have let McNabb finish out the season as the starting QB

Look we all know McNabb isnt back next season and we all know what we got with Rex. Rex didnt need to get evaluated, thats horse sh*t.

We should have let McNabb finish out in both above situations and in the offseason quietly put him on the block to other team for a 4th or 3rd round pick. McNabb can still play and teams ALWAYS are looking for a QB....San Fran, Seattle, Minnesota for sure........Possible QB upgrades: Tennessee, Raiders, Buffalo, Carolina...

We might have to cut him now the way Shanny waved a huge red flag saying he's not gonna be here next year. Not smart at all

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yes agreed. That was the start of the dumb sh*t. If Shanny and FO feel like McNabb is not a good fit the best moves would have been:

A) Shouldnt bench McNabb in the final drive and come up with lame ass excuse

B) Should have let McNabb finish out the season as the starting QB

Look we all know McNabb isnt back next season and we all know what we got with Rex. Rex didnt need to get evaluated, thats horse sh*t.

We should have let McNabb finish out in both above situations and in the offseason quietly put him on the block to other team for a 4th or 3rd round pick. McNabb can still play and teams ALWAYS are looking for a QB....San Fran, Seattle, Minnesota for sure........Possible QB upgrades: Tennessee, Raiders, Buffalo, Carolina...

We might have to cut him now the way Shanny waved a huge red flag saying he's not gonna be here next year. Not smart at all

When did he say that? Last I heard MS didn't close the door on him returning.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

When did he say that? Last I heard MS didn't close the door on him returning.

Sure I dont think he will come out and publically say McNabb will not be here next season...but the Kelly Johnson inteview b4 the previous game Shanny when asked if it was a mistake to bring McNabb here he said something in the way of "sometimes things dont work out like you plan them." I dont take that as a vote of confidence for McNabb returning. He didnt say No its wasnt a mistake or he plans on McNabb contributing to this team in the future. I think the contract we gave him is another indicator. I feel he's chancing of returning to the Skins is in the 10-20%. I think serious damage has been done with Shanny's choices he has made in McNabb returning. McNabb is personally going to say the right things, he always has. I think his agent though is speaking exactly how McNabb feels.

I think McNabb can still play in this league, on a high level? questionable...with Shanny and Kyle as his coaches?...very unlikely

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

When did he say that? Last I heard MS didn't close the door on him returning.

I think what Shanahan said is he "can't guarantee that McNabb will be back next year." But let's be honest, at this point hell will freeze over before McNabb takes another snap for us.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Brody81

How have they blundered anything in regards to McNabb? What respect does he deserve? He is a 5-9 Redskins QB that has sucked all year. Why should MS respect a guy that won't run his system, or disagrees with plays that are called. An example would be me getting fired from my current company, and then rehired from another, and in the first year I disagree with how they run the company, and stop listening to my direct boss.... I would be fired immediately. Kudos to the way MS handles cry baby players, and kudos to Kyle for demanding DM benching.

Good post.

It's funny that Skins fans have become so used to the drama queen players getting their way around here. The fans scream for change, but when it finally comes they resist just as much as some of these crybaby players. For years peopled have wanted a no nonsense, my way or the highway kind of leadership style in here. Now that we have it, it's all I don't like this now.

DM simply wasn't playing well at all, he should have been benched after the Detroit game. Amazing that after not having started a game since 2008, Grossman of all people is able to step in and do 2 things DM hasn't done all year, throw 4 TDs and put 30 points on the board.

DM is a great guy and I really wanted it to work out for him here, but if it doesn't and someone else can step in and perform at a higher level, get his ass outta here and let's move on. All this BS about respect, or crying about they didn't cater the offense to me, just totally rubs me the wrong way. It's an obvious ploy by DM's agent to get him outta here sooner rather than later.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Good post.

It's funny that Skins fans have become so used to the drama queen players getting their way around here. The fans scream for change, but when it finally comes they resist just as much as some of these crybaby players. For years peopled have wanted a no nonsense, my way or the highway kind of leadership style in here. Now that we have it, it's all I don't like this now.

DM simply wasn't playing well at all, he should have been benched after the Detroit game. Amazing that after not having started a game since 2008, Grossman of all people is able to step in and do 2 things DM hasn't done all year, throw 4 TDs and put 30 points on the board.

DM is a great guy and I really wanted it to work out for him here, but if it doesn't and someone else can step in and perform at a higher level, get his ass outta here and let's move on. All this BS about respect, or crying about they didn't cater the offense to me, just totally rubs me the wrong way. It's an obvious ploy by DM's agent to get him outta here sooner rather than later.

Not too many people will argue with that. It's the way in which DM has been handled - specifically the Detroit game - and what we gave up to get him that's so disconcerting.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that he was playing really well.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not too many people will argue with that. It's the way in which DM has been handled - specifically the Detroit game - and what we gave up to get him that's so disconcerting.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that he was playing really well.

MS could have handled the Detroit benching better, sure. He should have just said DM hasn't been playing well so we were looking for a spark from Grossman. I think everyone could have lived with that explanation.

Why he tossed out the silliness about him not being in shape, who knows. MS isn't known for being a slick handler of the media, and often he would be better served by just saying less. But we didn't hire him to be a PR guy, we hired him to win football games. I'll live with all the PFT type of tabloid drama as long as he gets this thing turned around.

[htownskinfan]

The whole situation is fked up,neither side has handled it well.Yes mcnabb has not played well but you gave up 2 big draft picks to get him then you treat him like dirt.I said months ago Shanahans ego is out of control and I still believe it.He should have never been allowed to hire his son,thats a recipe for disaster if there ever was one.How do you think he's going to handle any criticism of his son? Not very ****ing well.He'll never fire his son no matter how bad he sucks,it will always,always be the qb's fault and not his sons.Another stupid stupid move by the organization

[MTK]

Reid traded McNabb because he had one year left on his deal and they knew they weren't going to re-sign him with Kolb waiting in the wings. I know it's more fun to believe Reid had some sort of diabolical plan in place and thought DM was washed up, even though he was coming off a season where he threw for 3553 yards, 22 TDs, and 10 INTs, and his highest QB rating since 2006.

I don't care what anyone says, DM can still play in this league, he just wasn't a good fit here for a variety of reasons. Shit happens. All this other drama now is just girlie tabloid crap.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Reid traded McNabb because he had one year left on his deal and they knew they weren't going to re-sign him with Kolb waiting in the wings. I know it's more fun to believe Reid had some sort of diabolical plan in place and thought DM was washed up, even though he was coming off a season where he threw for 3553 yards, 22 TDs, and 10 INTs, and his highest QB rating since 2006.

I don't care what anyone says, DM can still play in this league, he just wasn't a good fit here for a variety of reasons. Shit happens. All this other drama now is just girlie tabloid crap.

That's a fair point, in a vacuum. But these are the Redskins- a team with a history of shipping off desperately needed draft picks for old vets. A team that was coming out of two years of circus-like coaching/organizational moves. A team that needed sound personnel decisions and a steady QB.

Shit does indeed happen. Year after year. That's why this is getting so much attention. The Shanahan regime was supposed to bring a departure from this sort of stuff. As of yet, no dice.

Sure, Redskins Park no longer hast the country club mentality, but can you really say a whole lot more about Shanny/Allen thus far?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That's a fair point, in a vacuum. But these are the Redskins- a team with a history of shipping off desperately needed draft picks for old vets. A team that was coming out of two years of circus-like coaching/organizational moves. A team that needed sound personnel decisions and a steady QB.

Shit does indeed happen. Year after year. That's why this is getting so much attention. The Shanahan regime was supposed to bring a departure from this sort of stuff. As of yet, no dice.

Sure, Redskins Park no longer hast the country club mentality, but can you really say a whole lot more about Shanny/Allen thus far?

That was probably the reason why they went after DM.

[Chico23231]

Looking back at how the Shannys and Bruce have handled both Albert and McNabb havent really gone that well. We could have at least gotten a 3rd rounder for Albert b4 the season, I dont think we will get that now and the whole benching of McNabb for Rex for the final drive whateva sh*t game that was and now the public spat going on will drive down any price we were hoping to get for him.

What do we get for these players now? 5th or 6th rounders? God thats piss poor.

[MTK]

Newsflash, Shanahan is not without flaws and he's made his share of mistakes over the years, along with quite a bit of success as well. Not even one full year in and some seem to have their minds made up that Shanahan can't get it done.

Hilarious.

Nobody said turning around this Titanic of a franchise was going to be easy. Years of mediocre play, dishing out big paydays, and inmates running the asylum is going to take some time to get reversed and on a new track.