Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011

[Redskins247]

This is somewhat turning into a Clinton Portis thread but I'll agree that I won't mind if he's back next season. I know he's tight with Danny, so if he takes less money, and maybe a diminished role, I could see it and agree with it...but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there's all new RB's here next year....and that's probably for the best. Torain and Williams have been good at times, but neither are anything special.

[tryfuhl]

Barry Sanders might be one of the few who could look special running the ball for our team this year. I think Torain has done a good job and Keiland hasn't looked bad either. They definitely deserve the chance to compete for the top 2 spots.

[Bucket]

I know we want to totally rebuild, but I still think keeping some veterans around is better then having none..

Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Clinton Portis
Mike Sellers

I think those are some key players we need to keep around for a few more years, or untill they retire to help this team produce better players.

I think Terrence Austin could be the next S. Moss if he gets the right teaching etc. Or even Brandon Banks.

[Skins4L]

We need to cut everybody besides:

London Fletcher
Brian Orakpo
DeAngelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Reed Doughty
Trent Williams
Ma'ake Kemoeatu
Anthony Armstrong
Santana Moss
Brandon Banks
Keiland Williams
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Lichtensteiger

Our Team officially is a joke these days.
This circus we call a franchise is making me sick.
Haynesworth/McNabb Trade+Benching?
We should pick up another talented player and just bench them too..
nobodys gonna wanna play here

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

We need to cut everybody besides:

London Fletcher
Brian Orakpo
DeAngelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Reed Doughty
Trent Williams
Ma'ake Kemoeatu
Anthony Armstrong
Santana Moss
Brandon Banks
Keiland Williams
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Lichtensteiger

Our Team officially is a joke these days.
This circus we call a franchise is making me sick.
Haynesworth/McNabb Trade+Benching?
We should pick up another talented player and just bench them too..
nobodys gonna wanna play here

So we would need to draft/sign 38 players? Actually way more than that to fill out a training camp roster. We CAN'T just dump everyone and try to start over, we dont have enough draft picks to do anything approaching this. Please do not give me the whole trade Haynesworth, DM and Cooley for draft picks. Out of those only Cooley would get us anything above a 4th.

This is going to take a few years to get right, and that is only if Shanny/Allen is the right duo to do this. If you aren't on board for that then that's fine, no one is saying you have to watch them rebuild. Feel free to hop off the bandwagon until they are good again. This mini rant is directed at you really either but at the mind set that we somehow need to be a playoff team next year.

As for a list of players we need to keep, I will leave that to the people who are far more familiar with the back up talent on this team than I am. Anyway thats my $.02

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

So we would need to draft/sign 38 players? Actually way more than that to fill out a training camp roster. We CAN'T just dump everyone and try to start over, we dont have enough draft picks to do anything approaching this. Please do not give me the whole trade Haynesworth, DM and Cooley for draft picks. Out of those only Cooley would get us anything above a 4th.

This is going to take a few years to get right, and that is only if Shanny/Allen is the right duo to do this. If you aren't on board for that then that's fine, no one is saying you have to watch them rebuild. Feel free to hop off the bandwagon until they are good again. This mini rant is directed at you really either but at the mind set that we somehow need to be a playoff team next year.

As for a list of players we need to keep, I will leave that to the people who are far more familiar with the back up talent on this team than I am. Anyway thats my $.02

lol u typed this all to me?

if u had ne idea who u were talkin to.
bro its obvious were gonna hold more than my list but RESPECTIVELY these are the guys who proved theyre worthy of being a Washington Redskin.

dont tell me "NOT ON BOARD"!
dont explain me anything either bro i know the whole deal.
go reply to someone else comment with ur 2 cents bro its worth nuthing here.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

So we would need to draft/sign 38 players? Actually way more than that to fill out a training camp roster. We CAN'T just dump everyone and try to start over, we dont have enough draft picks to do anything approaching this. Please do not give me the whole trade Haynesworth, DM and Cooley for draft picks. Out of those only Cooley would get us anything above a 4th.

This is going to take a few years to get right, and that is only if Shanny/Allen is the right duo to do this. If you aren't on board for that then that's fine, no one is saying you have to watch them rebuild. Feel free to hop off the bandwagon until they are good again. This mini rant is directed at you really either but at the mind set that we somehow need to be a playoff team next year.

As for a list of players we need to keep, I will leave that to the people who are far more familiar with the back up talent on this team than I am. Anyway thats my $.02

I cant believe this clown came at me with a "bandwagon/on board" ordeal. if fact bro... i dont want YOU to be around as we rebuild.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

I cant believe this clown came at me with a "bandwagon/on board" ordeal. if fact bro... i dont want YOU to be around as we rebuild.

First of all, I explained that the mini rant wasn't so much directed at you as the mindset. Second of all, learn some grammar so you can be understood like an adult. Third, who are you who that you cant have anything explained to you? I mean you joined in 08 and have 300 and something posts...not exactly a daily visitor are you?

[Paintrain]

Here's who I want back from the intended direction of the thread (non free agents at their current contract rates):

Kevin Barnes
DeAngelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Brian Orakpo
Lorenzo Alexander
Anthony Bryant
Jeremy Jarmon
Adam Carriker
Graham Gano
Trent Williams
Kory Lichtensteiger
Will Montgomery
Artis Hicks
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Logan Paulsen
Anthony Armstrong
Brandon Banks
Ryan Torrain
Keiland Williams
Rob Jackson
Terrence Austin
Perry Riley
Mike Williams
Erik Cook
Selvish Capers
John Beck
Kareem Moore (as a backup)

I think it's time to move past the Portis era in DC. I don't know if Torrain is a 16 game starting RB or if we find someone to pair with him but I've seen enough to know that I'm good with him on the roster and rotation next year. People forget Mike Williams signed a 3 year contract extension before having to miss the season with his heart ailment. If they have that resolved, he could be a valuable piece of the OL as a G or backup T.

On the defensive side, I would be fine with a complete (other than Orakpo) overhaul of our LB corp. Fletcher isn't really suited for the 3-4 and McIntosh isn't either. Riley has shown some flashes both positive and negative but he goes full speed and will learn by experience. Our DL needs a revamp also but if we went into 2011 with Bryant and Carriker as 2 starters it wouldn't be the end of the world. In the secondary, bring back Hall and Landry (from this list) and fill in the rest. I've got 28 coming back, only 2 (Bryant & M. Williams) 30 or older.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Here's who I want back from the intended direction of the thread (non free agents at their current contract rates):

Kevin Barnes
DeAngelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Brian Orakpo
Lorenzo Alexander
Anthony Bryant
Jeremy Jarmon
Adam Carriker
Graham Gano
Trent Williams
Kory Lichtensteiger
Will Montgomery
Artis Hicks
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Logan Paulsen
Anthony Armstrong
Brandon Banks
Ryan Torrain
Keiland Williams
Rob Jackson
Terrence Austin
Perry Riley
Mike Williams
Erik Cook
Selvish Capers
John Beck
Kareem Moore (as a backup)

I think it's time to move past the Portis era in DC. I don't know if Torrain is a 16 game starting RB or if we find someone to pair with him but I've seen enough to know that I'm good with him on the roster and rotation next year. People forget Mike Williams signed a 3 year contract extension before having to miss the season with his heart ailment. If they have that resolved, he could be a valuable piece of the OL as a G or backup T.

On the defensive side, I would be fine with a complete (other than Orakpo) overhaul of our LB corp. Fletcher isn't really suited for the 3-4 and McIntosh isn't either. Riley has shown some flashes both positive and negative but he goes full speed and will learn by experience. Our DL needs a revamp also but if we went into 2011 with Bryant and Carriker as 2 starters it wouldn't be the end of the world. In the secondary, bring back Hall and Landry (from this list) and fill in the rest. I've got 28 coming back, only 2 (Bryant & M. Williams) 30 or older.

So realistically how do you propose we fill 25 spots that have been cut to make our 53 man roster? I realize we need to purge a lot of the roster we currently have but making that many sweeping changes is absurd. We would be worse than we were this year.

When Raheem Morris overhauled the Bucs they released linebackers Derrick Brooks and Cato June, wide receivers Joey Galloway and Ike Hilliard, and running back Warrick Dunn. All over the age of 30. At the time people crapped on the move saying they would have no leadership and veteran experience. We do need to cut a lot of the older players. But not just about EVERY player. Look at the Bucs now, making a playoff run...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

So realistically how do you propose we fill 25 spots that have been cut to make our 53 man roster? I realize we need to purge a lot of the roster we currently have but making that many sweeping changes is absurd. We would be worse than we were this year.

When Raheem Morris overhauled the Bucs they released linebackers Derrick Brooks and Cato June, wide receivers Joey Galloway and Ike Hilliard, and running back Warrick Dunn. All over the age of 30. At the time people crapped on the move saying they would have no leadership and veteran experience. We do need to cut a lot of the older players. But not just about EVERY player. Look at the Bucs now, making a playoff run...

If you read the top of my post AND the OP, the question was who would you bring back next year at their current contract number. My list doesn't include players that are free agents that I would want to bring back (Rex, Moss, Holliday, Jammal Brown, Heyer, Golston, Wilson, Buchanon) or Kelly who is on the IR. That's 9 more players up to 36. You figure we are going to be aggressive in free agency and add 4-8 more players plus adding in 7 (or more) draft picks, there you go. No-one is talking about a tear down to scraps and build from there, although looking at Tampa and KC makes me more willing to consider it!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If you read the top of my post AND the OP, the question was who would you bring back next year at their current contract number. My list doesn't include players that are free agents that I would want to bring back (Rex, Moss, Holliday, Jammal Brown, Heyer, Golston, Wilson, Buchanon) or Kelly who is on the IR. That's 9 more players up to 36. You figure we are going to be aggressive in free agency and add 4-8 more players plus adding in 7 (or more) draft picks, there you go. No-one is talking about a tear down to scraps and build from there, although looking at Tampa and KC makes me more willing to consider it!

We're going to have to build from the bare bones eventually whether we want to or not considering that we constantly eschew the least costly method of obtaining talent(Holding onto HIGH round picks) for "sure things" that are actually risky and do not allow for mulligans like the least costly method does. You flame out on a 2nd rounder. Fine. Next year you can pick again and you may still get solid depth or allow or cut the guy and UDFA/low rounder a chance. You flame out on McNabb, Jason Taylor, etc and you aren't even left with a depth player and could have filled the roster spot with a cheap UDFA or role-player from FA for the same amount of production.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

We're going to have to build from the bare bones eventually whether we want to or not considering that we constantly eschew the least costly method of obtaining talent(Holding onto HIGH round picks) for "sure things" that are actually risky and do not allow for mulligans like the least costly method does. You flame out on a 2nd rounder. Fine. Next year you can pick again and you may still get solid depth or allow or cut the guy and UDFA/low rounder a chance. You flame out on McNabb, Jason Taylor, etc and you aren't even left with a depth player and could have filled the roster spot with a cheap UDFA or role-player from FA for the same amount of production.

Well HIGH draft picks aren't really 'least costly method'. The least costly method is by hitting in the 3rd and 4th round where you are typically drafting for depth and you find starters. Also by sourcing and signing undrafted free agents. For example I heard Mark Dominick on radio earlier this week saying they looked at the undrafted FA this year as their '2nd draft' considering players like LeGarrette Blount a secondary draft pick. He said they scouted deeply the 2010 draft for impact players beyond the 7 rounds.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If you read the top of my post AND the OP, the question was who would you bring back next year at their current contract number. My list doesn't include players that are free agents that I would want to bring back (Rex, Moss, Holliday, Jammal Brown, Heyer, Golston, Wilson, Buchanon) or Kelly who is on the IR. That's 9 more players up to 36. You figure we are going to be aggressive in free agency and add 4-8 more players plus adding in 7 (or more) draft picks, there you go. No-one is talking about a tear down to scraps and build from there, although looking at Tampa and KC makes me more willing to consider it!

Yep, failed to see that tidbit. Still would be a big undertaking. I'm not saying you're wrong. We do need a big overhaul.

[irish]

For all those who think Portis should come back in a diminished role at a reduced salary, CP says in today's examiner that he wants to come back with the Skins but he's not looking to take a pay cut, he wants a raise.