Cerrato on Zorn

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

Who did they expect would want the job? It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.

That Zorn fiasco was a Vinny F-up because they were set to hire fassel until they recieved alot of negative feedback from the fans that caused them to turn away from Jim and scramble.

I think Greg would have been an excellent hire because he had the team leadership behind him and I believe he learned more about what it takes to be a great headcoach from Gibbs.

You don't work with someone that close without having part of their personallity rub off on you.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

That Zorn fiasco was a Vinny F-up because they were set to hire fassel until they recieved alot of negative feedback from the fans that caused them to turn away from Jim and scramble.

I think Greg would have been an excellent hire because he had the team leadership behind him and I believe he learned more about what it takes to be a great headcoach from Gibbs.

You don't work with someone that close without having part of their personallity rub off on you.

That whole fan revolt stuff is pretty overplayed. Ultimately it was really that Cerrato and Fassel couldn't co-exist. Cerrato couldn't handle it.

Remember Fassel was very nearly our head coach in 2004, but then Gibbs came calling. And how are you going to turn him down?

Then in 2008, Fassel wanted Zorn and Rex Ryan as his coordinators. We couldn't get Ryan but we did get Zorn for Fassel. But then Snyder caved to the whole "let a football guy run the team" mentality (I guess that was the real fan revolt) and let Cerrato-who, like it or not, has plenty of football experience-run Fassel out of town (before he even got here).

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That whole fan revolt stuff is pretty overplayed. Ultimately it was really that Cerrato and Fassel couldn't co-exist. Cerrato couldn't handle it.

Remember Fassel was very nearly our head coach in 2004, but then Gibbs came calling. And how are you going to turn him down?

Then in 2008, Fassel wanted Zorn and Rex Ryan as his coordinators. We couldn't get Ryan but we did get Zorn for Fassel. But then Snyder caved to the whole "let a football guy run the team" mentality (I guess that was the real fan revolt) and let Cerrato-who, like it or not, has plenty of football experience-run Fassel out of town (before he even got here).

Thats the truth about Cerrato. We dont like him, but the fact is he had plenty of experience and was well qualified to run the football team. Damn, thinking back, i guess Vinny's biggest problem was that he knew the right moves to make for the good of the football team, but he had nobody 'over him" per say, to tell him, hey vinny, maybe we shouldnt spend this much on a guy. Snyder was not a football guy and i guess the true problem was giving Vinny total control.

But as others stated, Vinny should own up to making the mistake of hiring Zorn, when Cerrato, truly being a football guy, knew that Zorn was not cut out for the job.

I looked at Cerrato's work history, and the truth is the man really was involved in good stuff and seemed to do his job well. When he arrived here, his good work ran out. Could Dan Synder just be the end all to why people are never successful here in ANY capacity???

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That whole fan revolt stuff is pretty overplayed. Ultimately it was really that Cerrato and Fassel couldn't co-exist. Cerrato couldn't handle it.

Remember Fassel was very nearly our head coach in 2004, but then Gibbs came calling. And how are you going to turn him down?

Then in 2008, Fassel wanted Zorn and Rex Ryan as his coordinators. We couldn't get Ryan but we did get Zorn for Fassel. But then Snyder caved to the whole "let a football guy run the team" mentality (I guess that was the real fan revolt) and let Cerrato-who, like it or not, has plenty of football experience-run Fassel out of town (before he even got here).

Experience is the name we give our mistakes.

So yeah, Vinny is a freaking Sage!

[CRedskinsRule]

NattyBo
retweet by CindyBoren
Caller: "Vinny, would you draft Newton?" Vinny: "No, I wouldn't." Caller: "Ok, then I would." LMFAO @1067thefandc
21 minutes ago


and what did you think of my question I really hammered him, right? RIGHT?




j/k I didn't ask a question, but if I did, it would have been the 3rd one

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Caller: "Vinny, would you draft Newton?" Vinny: "No, I wouldn't." Caller: "Ok, then I would."

Awesome. Well done, caller!

[Monkeydad]

Some artwork for y'all.

[CRedskinsRule]

nice

[skinsfaninok]

VC was a ****ing joke.. DS is still a ****ing joke. This organization is a joke in today's NFL

[Dirtbag59]

"Vinny, you need to stop running your mouth through the media. People are trying to forget you. You were able to make at least a couple of million dollars working for the Redskins effectively putting yourself in Karmic debt. Quit while your ahead."

[Longtimefan]

D.C. Sports Bog - Cerrato: Zorn was done in by his ego

[Defensewins]

Cerrato really IS STUPID!
I thought he just lacked skills to run an NFL Front Office, but the reality is he is showing the same lack of common sense people skills that Dan Snyder lacks, for example the City Paper lawsuit. The ability to turn the other cheek and keep your mouth shut escapes them. It is really easy to do...but your huge ego and lack of common sense wont let you keep your mouth shut.

[skinsfaninok]

makes u wonder how little DS actually knows about football fml

[Hog1]

People question Bruce's hiring...........Pfft

[SolidSnake84]

This is a great discussion thread here. And reading some of the points from everyone has got me thinking here again.

I have to kind of be Devil's Advocate here, but I know i will get great responses from you guys, i always do.

I get the feeling that Vinny was being very honest about the Zorn situation. They hired him out of desperation from losing the other head coach candidates (Fassell, G. Williams), and felt that they had a good chance to win with the roster they had.

Thinking back to how bad the offense was back then does make me think Vinny is telling the truth. When Sherm arrived, the offense was night and day different, and it confirmed most of our suspicions that Jim Zorn was a horrible play caller. We know for sure Zorn had the chance to relenquish playcalling duties at least 3 weeks before Sherm got here, so what if?? What if Zorn could have swalloed his ego, took the help from Sherm sooner, and the team could have finished at 8-8??

Vinny hit the nail right on the head with Zorn being horrible with the media. Bashing the players on TV was not the right thing to do. It sounds to me like Dan Snyder gave Jim Zorn his fair share of chances to make things work. Cerrato sounds honest when he says they knew Jim was over his head and they were trying to get him help so that they could make things work.

I'm not defending Vinny, he still doomed this franchise, but hearing him say this, and remembering my own memories of "The Zorn Era" kind of makes me think that Cerrato was at least being honest when discribed our helpless former coach. It sounds like they knew mid-season that he wasn't gonna make it, and tried everything they could to get it to work with Zorn as the captain, but in the end, maybe Zorn's own ego/philosophy got in the way...just food for thought,.