ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

We did. He has no more guaranteed money left from what I gather. Some of his guaranteed money was forfeited once he decided to skip OTAs and mandatory camp.

None left to be paid, but lots left to be allocated on the salary cap books.

[1niksder]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

None left to be paid, but lots left to be allocated on the salary cap books.

Not much left on the cap books because when AH didn't show for OTAs last season he voided the last $5.4M that was guaranteed in 2011.

Originally Posted by J.I. Halsell

In his infamous $100 million contract of 2009, Haynesworth had a $21 million option bonus. As part of the deal, the Redskins reserved the right to convert that option bonus to signing bonus, and that’s exactly what they did according to league sources. However, they did this conversion with a slight twist. Not only did they convert the option bonus to a $21 million signing bonus, but they also added a voidable provision by which if Haynesworth pays back $16.8 million of the signing bonus, then the 2011 – 2014 contract years void away. From a team salary accounting standpoint, because the voidable is solely in the player’s control, the proration of the signing bonus does not go into 2011 – 2014, meaning all of the $21 million signing bonus counts in the uncapped year of 2010. As a result, Haynesworth’s team salary number in 2010 went from $8.8 million to a whopping $25.6 million. His subsequent team salary numbers are $6.4 million, $8.2 million, $10 million, $10.8 million, and $12.8 million respectively. With this new voidable provision, if Haynesworth decides he's unhappy with his role in the Redskins' new 3-4 defense and he can come to an agreement in principle with a new team that would guarantee him the $16.8 million he'd have to pay back to the Redskins, then in theory 2010 could Haynesworth's last year in Washington

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinster

I thought that we gave haynesworth most of his guaranteed money already?

We did. If he is cut or traded, then, instead of being pro-rated over the contract, the remainder of the bonus (that which has not been used on a pro-rated basis, not the unpaid portion) is escalated into this year's cap.

[SmootSmack]

I have no idea. I think Barnes and Buch would get more playing time. Not sure either would start.

[GTripp0012]

Clayton's salary cap estimate seems low. I wish he had shown his work. $120 million would be really tight, both compared to recent history, and compared to what reported estimates of the revenue pie suggest.

I worked off the reported $9 billion total revenue figure and got a salary cap of $135 million. It's possible the $9 billion figure is just made up, but Clayton appears to be using an $8 billion revenue figure. Which could be accurate, but I don't think that information is publicly available.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Clayton's salary cap estimate seems low. I wish he had shown his work. $120 million would be really tight, both compared to recent history, and compared to what reported estimates of the revenue pie suggest.

I worked off the reported $9 billion total revenue figure and got a salary cap of $135 million. It's possible the $9 billion figure is just made up, but Clayton appears to be using an $8 billion revenue figure. Which could be accurate, but I don't think that information is publicly available.

I read the same new cap possibly $135 mil.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Clayton's salary cap estimate seems low. I wish he had shown his work. $120 million would be really tight, both compared to recent history, and compared to what reported estimates of the revenue pie suggest.

I worked off the reported $9 billion total revenue figure and got a salary cap of $135 million. It's possible the $9 billion figure is just made up, but Clayton appears to be using an $8 billion revenue figure. Which could be accurate, but I don't think that information is publicly available.

I agree, $120M is probably on the low side.

But the $135 assumes a couple things:

- The NFL's revenue pie is $9 billion on the nose. In reality they may be rounding it up from $8.6 billion, or something like that.

- That the players will end up with 48% of the pie. A little more or a little less on either side would really affect the cap calculation.

It's probably somewhere in between Clayton's $120 and your $135.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I agree, $120M is probably on the low side.

But the $135 assumes a couple things:

- The NFL's revenue pie is $9 billion on the nose. In reality they may be rounding it up from $8.6 billion, or something like that.

- That the players will end up with 48% of the pie. A little more or a little less on either side would really affect the cap calculation.

It's probably somewhere in between Clayton's $120 and your $135.

Agreed.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Clayton's salary cap estimate seems low. I wish he had shown his work. $120 million would be really tight, both compared to recent history, and compared to what reported estimates of the revenue pie suggest.

I worked off the reported $9 billion total revenue figure and got a salary cap of $135 million. It's possible the $9 billion figure is just made up, but Clayton appears to be using an $8 billion revenue figure. Which could be accurate, but I don't think that information is publicly available.

Player benefits must be included. Once player benefits are factored in, then salaries likely will be around $120 mil., so the salary cap will be around $120 mil.

I can't guarantee that is how things will shake out, of course. Just sayin' that Clayton's numbers likely include a benefits deduction.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Player benefits must be included. Once player benefits are factored in, then salaries likely will be around $120 mil., so the salary cap will be around $120 mil.

I can't guarantee that is how things will shake out, of course. Just sayin' that Clayton's numbers likely include a benefits deduction.

This, plus the new retirement benefits they agreed to for the retired players. That's probably a part of the 48% going to the players.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Clayton's salary cap estimate seems low. I wish he had shown his work. $120 million would be really tight, both compared to recent history, and compared to what reported estimates of the revenue pie suggest.

I worked off the reported $9 billion total revenue figure and got a salary cap of $135 million. It's possible the $9 billion figure is just made up, but Clayton appears to be using an $8 billion revenue figure. Which could be accurate, but I don't think that information is publicly available.

After doing some reading about the negotiations going on, I can't find the article I read to save my life, it appears that from my recollection that under the old CBA the 9 billion came from a billion in breaks and kickbacks the owners received. If the new negotiations continue in the way they are headed, the owners would not get that billion in kickbacks but would instead have the revenue sharing formula simplified and somehow adjusted in their favor in place of not receiving the kickbacks. That would put Clayton at his estimation of 8 billion.

[NLC1054]

If Aubrayo's going to be that expensive, he'll walk.

I really think it's that simple. They'll attempt to sign him to a deal that's fair to both parties, but if he balks and one money, the Redskins will let him walk and move into the secondary market. I think the signing of O.J Atogwe proved that we're going to be taking a different approach and not setting the market for players.

Then again it seems like it's just a stupid rumor because everyone knows we need a nose tackle. Mike plays his cards so close to his chest I don't think anyone actually has any clue who he's targeting in free agency.

I mean people have said they "heard" we were looking at signing Jamarcus Russell after that one off "favor for a friend" workout last year. We'll look at Franklin, but we're not going to set the market for him until the front office sees what everyone else is offering for him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

If Aubrayo's going to be that expensive, he'll walk.

I really think it's that simple. They'll attempt to sign him to a deal that's fair to both parties, but if he balks and one money, the Redskins will let him walk and move into the secondary market. I think the signing of O.J Atogwe proved that we're going to be taking a different approach and not setting the market for players.

Then again it seems like it's just a stupid rumor because everyone knows we need a nose tackle. Mike plays his cards so close to his chest I don't think anyone actually has any clue who he's targeting in free agency.

I mean people have said they "heard" we were looking at signing Jamarcus Russell after that one off "favor for a friend" workout last year. We'll look at Franklin, but we're not going to set the market for him until the front office sees what everyone else is offering for him.

He's going to have plenty of offers though. I dunno, if things are really different this time around, you might see us make a fair offer to the one starting-caliber nose on the FA market, but lose out to another team who overpays. I haven't ruled out the possibility of that happening. But the historical M.O. of the Redskins is that they'll actually get Franklin and be worse off for it.

And I think if they do get Franklin, they'll be worse off. It doesn't HAVE to be like that. There may be no market for his services. But that's not what I'm expecting.

[Dirtbag59]

Why the hate for Franklin? Does he have a reputation as being a lazy player?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Why the hate for Franklin? Does he have a reputation as being a lazy player?

Haven't heard if he's lazy. But you compare him to Shaun Rogers, a player that numerous people were skeptical about before he signed with New Orleans after visiting here, and there's no question that 1)Rogers is going to age better than Franklin and 2)Rogers is worth more money than Franklin.

Rogers signed for one-year, $4 million. Franklin could reasonably expect to get 3/25 or something bigger. Point is, one player is going to get the kind of deal that the Redskins have always been guilty of giving out (one that can't be outperformed), and the other is almost certainly going to offer surplus value.