Portis for Larry Johnson

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Trade Portis? What? Didn't we just trade for him?

I'm one of those guys who's "crying" over the $10 million in dead cap space that we desperately need to re-sign guys like Smoot and Pierce. We don't need another $10 million in dead cap room.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i'm on vacation in the caribbean but just have to step in here and defend my man Portis. look at Portis's carries this year and tell me again he doesn't want to run. 3.3 ypc with a leaky OLine and conservative (ie. predictable, some even say outdated) offense and he still wanted more touches. almost 1400 yds and he played hurt all year too. didn't you claim Rod Gardner was our offensive MVP this year?

That was stated for the first half of the season and he was, if your going to quote me do it correctly, 3.3 yards in any offense is horrible, I am now through tap dancing around Portis, he's a bust, nothing more than a 3rd down change of pace back who accumulated most of his yard's in denver against a KC team that couldn't stop a cheerleader from having a 100yard day, Portis is a primadonna who want's to get through the line of scrimmage without being touched put a couple of good hit's on him and he backs down, Bett's hit's the holes with everything he has whether they are there or not, and yes behind the same pourous offensive line Bett's plowed through for a nice 100 yard game in his first start this season, Portis will be a better runner if we open more holes for him as if no other back would as well, Bett's get's yards when there is barley a running lane, Portis get's zip when there isn't a running lane, when our line reaches the point where they are opening holes big enough for Portis to run through we could have plenty of other back's moving the chain's for us as well, further more a back quite often has to take some shot's early to get his yard's later in the game Portis can't do that he can't take the punishment, the coaches all know who the better back is they just can't admit it because of the money that was given to Portis, why do think Portis was on the bench for the entire second half a few week's ago without an injury? Bottom line if Bett's ran in the denver system the last 2 year's and Portis ran in our's, Bett's would be looked at as an elite back and Portis would be our change of pace 3rd down back, as I said when we traded for him he can't run between the tackles and he proved it this year!

[Redskins8588]

Is Tomlinson a buts?? I mean he had 1335 yards on 339 carries and 3.9 yards per carry avg.!!! Very simular stats to Portis!! Oh and did I mention that Tomlinson has ben in the same offensive system for more than 1 year??

Can you name a back who isnt a system back? Think about it when players get drafted the teams dont say "Hey I bet this guy could fit any system!!" NO! I dont think so, they draft players that will work in there system!! So tell me a Back that isnt a system back!! Who??

[illdefined]

right, right, back then your argument was Rod Gardner was our offensive MVP but Brunell (who threw all the passes to him) had nothing to do with it. but i digress..

i just don't see how Portis could run 1500 yds in only TWO games a season versus KC. man, wish i saw those games!

and i think it's rich how tough you claim Betts to be when he played ONE whole game this season vs. a terrible run defense.

where was Betts before Portis? that's right, constantly INJURED and in the running to be cut this offseason due to relative fragility since he was drafted.

Betts is great when HEALTHY. i'm glad we have him. but Portis was productive even with all the problems at Oline, a 1980s playbook, AND lasted every game except one. withOUT the benefit of a passing game ALL YEAR. but i guess i'll wait to hear you pin our terrible passing game on Portis's light weight as well..

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

right, right, back then your argument was Rod Gardner was our offensive MVP but Brunell (who threw all the passes to him) had nothing to do with it. but i digress..

i just don't see how Portis could run 1500 yds in only TWO games a season versus KC. man, wish i saw those games!

and i think it's rich how tough you claim Betts to be when he played ONE whole game this season vs. a terrible run defense.

where was Betts before Portis? that's right, constantly INJURED and in the running to be cut this offseason due to relative fragility since he was drafted.

Betts is great when HEALTHY. i'm glad we have him. but Portis was productive even with all the problems at Oline, a 1980s playbook, AND lasted every game except one. withOUT the benefit of a passing game ALL YEAR. but i guess i'll wait to hear you pin our terrible passing game on Portis's light weight as well..

Where was Portis the final game? Hurt? It's much easier to stay healthy when you tap dance into the hole, the difference between you and I is you hang your hat on stat's, I rely on the abilty to evaluate a player's talent and what he does under certain circumstances, circumstances can dictate stat's, you keep harping on a lowsey O-line tell me what has Corey Dillon done the last 7 year's in cinnci. with that vaunted bengal O-line blocking for him? How about Deuce in new orlean's? And the biggest slap in the face of all Tiki in NY, he run's behind maybe the worse offensive line in the league he's a small guy like Portis and he now hold's the giant's all time single season rushing record and did a lot of that with a rookie QB running the offense, yea he averaged 4.7 yards a carry, so keep with the excuses and the spewing stat's for Portis that's what typical uninformed fan's do, anyone can hang their hat on a stat, breaking down a player's talent, or a game, and understanding what dictates those stat's is where the real football smart's lies. Portis's STATS, he averaged 5.5 yards a carry in denver, he averaged 3.8 for us almost 2 yards a carry less, 2 YARDS! While bett's averaged 4.1 behind the same line.


Portis's stat's against KC in 2003 349 yds and 6 td's in 2 games. That's 1 more TD in 2 games than he scored for us all year!

[Redskins8588]

Yeah, and KC's Deffense or the lack there of had nothing to do with it either???

And as for your stat on Betts averageing 4.1 yards behind the same O-line.
I am not sure if you are aware of this but the is only .3 yards better on how many less carries??? The more you carry the ball the greater the chance is there that the yards per carry will go down. Betts carried the ball 90 times to Portis 343 times.

Christ, Shawn Bryson of the Lions averaged 5.3 yards on 50 carries I say that we should cut Betts and Portis and bring him in!!!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

We got 99 problems but Clinton Portis ain't one

You should preference that by saying, If your havin' o-line problems I feel bad for you son...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You should preference that by saying, If your havin' o-line problems I feel bad for you son...

LOL. good point Matty

[LongTimeSkinsFan]

I'm surprised at so many people claiming Portis isn't a core Redskin and doesn't fit the Joe Gibbs system. My memory gets fuzzier the further back it goes, but didn't Coach Gibbs have Joe Washington as a RB for a couple of years? I remember Washington and he was as far from being a tackle to tackle runner as you could get, but it didn't stop the offense from being designed to fit your personnel.

[Redskins_P]

When it comes down to it. Portis will be here next year, and so will Gibbs. That's all that matters to me. All this trade talk in my mind is a waste of time. I should've never replied to this thread.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

Where was Portis the final game? Hurt? It's much easier to stay healthy when you tap dance into the hole, the difference between you and I is you hang your hat on stat's, I rely on the abilty to evaluate a player's talent and what he does under certain circumstances, circumstances can dictate stat's, you keep harping on a lowsey O-line tell me what has Corey Dillon done the last 7 year's in cinnci SNIP


Portis's stat's against KC in 2003 349 yds and 6 td's in 2 games. That's 1 more TD in 2 games than he scored for us all year!

you like stats an awful lot for someone who says they see past them. you want to evaluate circumstances, then measure how many productive carries Portis has had in his career while staying healthy, then do the same with Betts. good evaluation. what good is a back if he can't keep himself healthy? what stat is that? Portis is weak cuz he missed ONE game? give me a break, he got the most carries of any other Redskin in a season EVER.

here's another non-stat circumstance. ever seen Betts make a block? me neither. how many sacks have we had because of complete lack of effort on his part, even in this last game? Portis stops his man no matter what takes, and it certainly isn't tap dancing. to question his effort this year is really just ridiculous, you had more to chew on with his size.

oh if you want proof our OLine has major problems? how bout our 'max protect' with two to three TE's every play but us getting the SAME sack total as Spurrier who didnt even have a TE in the playbook. all those teams you mentioned have something called a PASSING GAME as well.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by illdefined

you like stats an awful lot for someone who says they see past them. you want to evaluate circumstances, then measure how many productive carries Portis has had in his career while staying healthy, then do the same with Betts. good evaluation. what good is a back if he can't keep himself healthy? what stat is that? Portis is weak cuz he missed ONE game? give me a break, he got the most carries of any other Redskin in a season EVER.

here's another non-stat circumstance. ever seen Betts make a block? me neither. how many sacks have we had because of complete lack of effort on his part, even in this last game? Portis stops his man no matter what takes, and it certainly isn't tap dancing. to question his effort this year is really just ridiculous, you had more to chew on with his size.

oh if you want proof our OLine has major problems? how bout our 'max protect' with two to three TE's every play but us getting the SAME sack total as Spurrier who didnt even have a TE in the playbook. all those teams you mentioned have something called a PASSING GAME as well.

Preach on brother, preach on

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Preach on brother, preach on

won't hold my breath for a rebuttal

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

you like stats an awful lot for someone who says they see past them. you want to evaluate circumstances, then measure how many productive carries Portis has had in his career while staying healthy, then do the same with Betts. good evaluation. what good is a back if he can't keep himself healthy? what stat is that? Portis is weak cuz he missed ONE game? give me a break, he got the most carries of any other Redskin in a season EVER.

here's another non-stat circumstance. ever seen Betts make a block? me neither. how many sacks have we had because of complete lack of effort on his part, even in this last game? Portis stops his man no matter what takes, and it certainly isn't tap dancing. to question his effort this year is really just ridiculous, you had more to chew on with his size.

oh if you want proof our OLine has major problems? how bout our 'max protect' with two to three TE's every play but us getting the SAME sack total as Spurrier who didnt even have a TE in the playbook. all those teams you mentioned have something called a PASSING GAME as well.

Giant's? Saint's? How bout seattle they drop every pass in sight, what passing game.

I agree Portis is a better blocker than Bett's but did we trade for Portis for his blocking abilities? 50 mil for a 200lbs blocking back?

He missed 1 and a half games he was benched in favor of Bett's, I guess the coaches felt running the ball was a little more important than the occasional block.

And I wonder how healthy Portis would have been if he ran the ball for Spurrier? As I said circumstances dictate stat's and if you think Portis would have run for 1500 yds under SS now you have me laughing, he would be lucky if he had 1000 yard's, LUCKY!

By the way B. Mitch has also called out Portis for those very thing's, not toughing it out, and I think he know's a little bit about a little guy fighting for those yard's.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

Giant's? Saint's? How bout seattle they drop every pass in sight, what passing game.

I agree Portis is a better blocker than Bett's but did we trade for Portis for his blocking abilities? 50 mil for a 200lbs blocking back?

He missed 1 and a half games he was benched in favor of Bett's, I guess the coaches felt running the ball was a little more important than the occasional block.

And I wonder how healthy Portis would have been if he ran the ball for Spurrier? As I said circumstances dictate stat's and if you think Portis would have run for 1500 yds under SS now you have me laughing, he would be lucky if he had 1000 yard's, LUCKY!

By the way B. Mitch has also called out Portis for those very thing's, not toughing it out, and I think he know's a little bit about a little guy fighting for those yard's.

none of those teams had a Mark Brunell throwing to good ol 50/50. this had to be our worst passing game in Redskins history. even when Ramsey came to save the day, no one lined up outside the box.

you question Portis effort and toughness but dismiss his actions and his numbers. if it wasnt for a torn pectoral muscle in the second to last game of the season, he'd have his 3rd 1500 yd season right now.

yes a 200lb 'primadonna' back that blocks for Ramsey like his life depended on it, what's Betts' excuse?

all due respect to Brian Mitchell but he wishes he had as many carries as a straight running back. HE was the prototypical 3rd down 'change of pace' back.

those 300+ carries Portis had this year weren't all outside the tackles, and neither were his 3000yds in Denver. Betts hasn't come close to showing he's an every down back yet, Portis has. even if its not in the mold of John Riggins.