What's your take on our coaching?

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I gathered that delay of game was more so a miscommunication between MS and the referees on getting the time out called.

And I'm not sure I'd gather from that one incident that there isn't camaraderie on this offense. I would think that the offseason workouts say otherwise.

I also believe, that the lockout and who was drafted ahead of us played key roles in affecting our QB plans. We do need a QB of the future, I absolutely agree. But unfortunately, that's not all we needed. We have added several key pieces. And I know after a loss like this, we all want to talk about how we have failed mightily and the rest of the season is doomed etc. If fans want to think that, fine, our feelings have no affect. But we're screwed if the actual team starts to believe it.

This. What SS said.

[skinsfaninok]

Skins added talent all around and just hoped Rex wouldn't f up but I think beck will be the leagues surprise this yr

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.

Weren't we all just talking about how Mike is building something great here? Funny how people just go nuts after a tough loss when we lost 2 of our starting left side of the offensive line, tough loss to a division rival where records dont mean shit. So damn fickel around here.

[MTK]

My take on coaching is... we should be focusing on the talent instead.

People complained about this same crap last year when our main problem clearly was a lack of talent. We're improved from last year in that department but we're still in the process of rebuilding this team.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

My take on coaching is... we should be focusing on the talent instead.

People complained about this same crap last year when our main problem clearly was a lack of talent. We're improved from last year in that department but we're still in the process of rebuilding this team.

Good point about the talent. I definitely haven't been a fan of Kyle's playcalling, but we don't really have any WR's either. It's something that really hasn't been talked about much through our first 5 games. Our WR corps is amongst the bottom 3 in the NFL. Armstrong is the only guy who can stretch the field, and he hasn't played in a few weeks and isn't that good to begin with.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

My take on coaching is... we should be focusing on the talent instead.

People complained about this same crap last year when our main problem clearly was a lack of talent. We're improved from last year in that department but we're still in the process of rebuilding this team.

Absolutely correct!!!

[Jontrem]

I still have faith in Mike. I like what he has done with this team in his first two years, he took over an incredibly bad team without any depth and has turned the defense into a force to be reckoned with. The issue I am thinking more and more is Kyle. The play calling was just horrendous yesterday. My god we were playing Philly and he somehow allowed Rex Grossman to be the focal point of our offense? I was begging for a quick hit passing game and a running/screen game...what did we get? Too many down the field throws and a flea flicker that fooled 0 DBs and was bailed out by an amazing catch by Gaffney.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.

MS took over a crappy organization. He's had 1 full year. It's pretty clear that our QB of the future is not on our roster. I'm pretty positive the coaches know this. We're going to need a couple more drafts to start seeing some real results although we got off to a good start this year. Cut them a little slack. Impatience is what has ruined our team over the last 15 years.

[Meks]

my take? Kyle blows get a real play caller

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Meks

my take? Kyle blows get a real play caller

Send Kyle packing with his Grossman. He gambled he lost bye Kyle.

[SmootSmack]

Should Beck play well, I wonder if anyone will then credit Kyle. I think his flaw is not in designing the plays, but picking the right spots to call them. Mike is definitely involved though, he's not sitting there without giving any input.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Should Beck play well, I wonder if anyone will then credit Kyle. I think his flaw is not in designing the plays, but picking the right spots to call them. Mike is definitely involved though, he's not sitting there without giving any input.

Agreed on the timing/position of playcalling.. reminds me of when I'm casually playing madden... the plays are getting people open but if our QB can't capitalize on it one of the two has to change for now

[Gary84Clark]

Lessons learned from Gibbs: 1. Run the ball you don't give up on the run especially on the Sheagles. They tend to break down in the 4th quarter. 2. QB ball security.

McNabb is looking terrible this year, but is still looking better than Grossman.

[Ruhskins]

I think coaches always get off the hook with most of the fans and I am glad this thread is creating a discussion about them. Let me start by saying that I do agree with the criticism that is given to our players. But I feel that at a certain point, coaches need to be held accountable as well.

In regards to leadership, I like what MS has done between last year and this year. Getting rid of the drama was the best improvement during the offseason. Also, BA and MS have done a good job at bringing character guys with talent (like Kerrigan). This week has been the only week that I have somewhat questioned Mike's leadership. I expected him to do a better job at getting this team mentally ready for such an important game. And I thought waiting to pull Rex until the end of the third quarter, was just a poor decision. I'm sure he had his reasons, but I think that switch was a quarter too late.

I don't know how much involved Mike is in the playcalling, but something needs to change with Kyle S. We are not the Texans with Schaub and Johnson...we have Beck throwing to Moss. We can't be a pass-first team, not with the average guy we have (and I mean Beck) and the somewhat average receivers. We have the possibility of having a good running game (don't know how that will be with our banged up o-line) yet that doesn't seem to be the focus of the team, even when playing against poor run defenses.

[over the mountain]

I like our coaching staff for the most part, for what each brings.

mike shanahan - i like his vision and concept of the run game. hes said it repeatedly now since hes been here, this team will only be successful if we run the ball well and often.

I like how he finds "one cut, hit the hole hard" running backs and uses them.

I like how he has been successful in finding 3 starting athletic zone blocking OL in chester, trent and lich.

i like the improvements made and people he has brought in so far for the run game. give him another year and hell get to add a few more hand picked pieces to the O line and perhaps we will have enough depth to survive injuries unlike yesterday where the loss of lich and trent was absolutely unrecoverable.

how we wants to shape this team by being run first with hand picked OL guys who fit his athletic zone blocking scheme.

kyle - i admit he seems to give up on running the ball, particularly yesterday but with the O line injuries and being in a hole, its understandable. he called more screens and dump offs which dont replace a strong run game but kinda sorta act like a run game and those dump offs to davis were successful. i think he went to rb screens alil to much, the eagles were on it after awhile.

i do believe kyle's passing scheme will work and work very well in the NFL. a couple times yesterday rex and beck had guys open behind coverage with a few steps on the closest db only to have the qb underthrow it. give kyle an above average QB and i think we hit on some big pass plays that weve either missed or havent even taken a chance on.

haslett - im starting to like him. seems real aggressvie, doesnt seem to hide or disguise much which when we play a smart audible-able QB may spell disaster for us but i think hasletts aggressive play calling is making O coordinators taking his style and approach into account and making them change some of what they want to do as they try and gameplan for the skins in the week leading up to a game.

overall - i like our coaches alot. think we need to give them more depth on O line, more talent in a few places on D and above all a real legit QB. not having an upper tier QB has been killing us the past 15 to 20 years or so.