What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[30gut]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

What do you think is so different about there system?

I would explain,(excluding the obvious like personnel)
but to avoid an uneccesary quibble:

Do you agree that McCarthy's offense is different from Kyle's?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Does Flynn bring Jordy Nelson and the McCarthy's scheme with him?

You OBVIOUSLY don't watch NFL football.

In all seriousness though he does remind me a bit of Schuab. In part because he's had not only strong preseasons but strong showings in limited regular season action. Both QB's also didn't have the strongest arms. I believe theres something there with Flynn but either way the Skins have to plot the course early. Do you make a strong offer for Flynn or do you hope you can trade up in the draft to get RG3 . You can only try both if you loose out on Flynn in Free Agency.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

In all seriousness though he does remind me a bit of Schuab. In part because he's had not only strong preseasons but strong showings in limited regular season action. Both QB's also didn't have the strongest arms. I believe theres something there with Flynn but either way the Skins have to plot the course early.

I think Schaub has a stronger arm, but that's neither here nor there because I actually think Flynn could be better then Rex in this scheme.
I base my opinion on skillsetand not their production.
By that same token I also think Josh Johnson could work, I wouldn't even be surprised if Jimmy Clausen was more productive then Rex in this offense.

I think all of those QBs have physical shortcomings.
And given the choice I prefer the most talented QB possible to groom.
And the hopeful outcome for that prospect is beyond being better then Rex.
The hopeful outcome would be a QB with the skillset to be great.
At the same time I acknowledge that not all great QB have a great skillset.
But why look for a needle in a stack of needles?

Do you make a strong offer for Flynn or do you hope you can trade up in the draft to get RG3 . You can only try both if you loose out on Flynn in Free Agency

I'm not convinced Griff won't be there when we pick.
And if he's not there another QB should be available like Bradford or McCoy then Flynn could be a distant fallback option.

I'm still upset by the lack of forsight at the QB position that has lead us here, now.
The FO should have been thinking about Flynn last year.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think Schaub has a stronger arm, but that's neither here nor there because I actually think Flynn could be better then Rex in this scheme.
I base my opinion on skillsetand not their production.
By that same token I also think Josh Johnson could work, I wouldn't even be surprised if Jimmy Clausen was more productive then Rex in this offense.

I think all of those QBs have physical shortcomings.
And given the choice I prefer the most talented QB possible to groom.
And the hopeful outcome for that prospect is beyond being better then Rex.
The hopeful outcome would be a QB with the skillset to be great.
At the same time I acknowledge that not all great QB have a great skillset.
But why look for a needle in a stack of needles?


I'm not convinced Griff won't be there when we pick.
And if he's not there another QB should be available like Bradford or McCoy then Flynn could be a distant fallback option.

I'm still upset by the lack of forsight at the QB position that has lead us here, now.
The FO should have been thinking about Flynn last year.

If it is true that the Packers wanted a 1st and 3rd for Flynn I would be hesitant to pull the trigger. Think about what Arizona gave up for a mostly unproven, yet somehow highly touted, back-up QB in Kolb. And look how he's working out for them, not the greatest....

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

If it is true that the Packers wanted a 1st and 3rd for Flynn I would be hesitant to pull the trigger. Think about what Arizona gave up for a mostly unproven, yet somehow highly touted, back-up QB in Kolb. And look how he's working out for them, not the greatest....

I think that asking price was a spitball guesstimate just like I think a minimum of 3 1sts for Luck.
The trades/draft still operates on a barter/haggle system and everyone knows rule #1 of the bargain is...

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm still upset by the lack of forsight at the QB position that has lead us here, now.
The FO should have been thinking about Flynn last year.

Why are people so hyped up about Matt Flynn? Sure he had a hell of a game today, but what makes you think he can remotely duplicate that type of success anywhere else? He going to be our version of clipboard Jesus?


Shanny knows what the hell he's doing. I'm quite positive if he thinks Flynn is the type of talent he wants as his QB, he'll bring him in. From what I've gathered from a few insiders, they aren't interested in him so don't get your hopes up.


I still don't get why fans are still ripping Mike over the QB position with him having really 0 options elsewhere.

Draft? Locker got drafted before us.
FA? Vince Young is really tearing it up in Philly.
FA? Matt Hasselbeck? You want to pay a 36 year old 21 million to throw 6 fewer INTs?

Grossman: 16 TDs, 20 INTs, 3,151 yards, 72.4 QB rating (13 games)
Hasselbeck 18 TDs, 14 INTs, 3,571 yards, 82.4 QB rating (16 games)

Mind you, that's with Hasselbeck having Chris Johnson in the back field. The numbers aren't really that much different other than the INTs. Also, Rex has played 3 fewer games.

So where was this "magical fix" at the QB position you guys keep chirping about?

[2BIG2BSKINNY]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why are people so hyped up about Matt Flynn? Sure he had a hell of a game today, but what makes you think he can remotely duplicate that type of success anywhere else? He going to be our version of clipboard Jesus?

After reading a while and trying to get what the Skins will do...I think people liked what went on last year with draft picks and the possibility of several good players. And Spending money on Flynn or a FA still leaves us the option of our draft picks to continue the competition to make the roster better.

I agree with you that there were not a lot of options last year... so Grossman was the result!

I think since in the past money was never a barrier to sign players we are so use to overlook the ramifications of the highest bidder mentality and what it does to a roster of blue collar players.

I am currently giddy that there are options to cure what ails the Skins!!!

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why are people so hyped up about Matt Flynn? Sure he had a hell of a game today, but what makes you think he can remotely duplicate that type of success anywhere else? He going to be our version of clipboard Jesus?


Shanny knows what the hell he's doing. I'm quite positive if he thinks Flynn is the type of talent he wants as his QB, he'll bring him in. From what I've gathered from a few insiders, they aren't interested in him so don't get your hopes up.


I still don't get why fans are still ripping Mike over the QB position with him having really 0 options elsewhere.

Draft? Locker got drafted before us.
FA? Vince Young is really tearing it up in Philly.
FA? Matt Hasselbeck? You want to pay a 36 year old 21 million to throw 6 fewer INTs?

Grossman: 16 TDs, 20 INTs, 3,151 yards, 72.4 QB rating (13 games)
Hasselbeck 18 TDs, 14 INTs, 3,571 yards, 82.4 QB rating (16 games)

Mind you, that's with Hasselbeck having Chris Johnson in the back field. The numbers aren't really that much different other than the INTs. Also, Rex has played 3 fewer games.

So where was this "magical fix" at the QB position you guys keep chirping about?

Well, Shanahan also didn't have to "stake his reputation" on these two bums either. There was a certain arrogance with which he stuck with Rex and Beck that was pretty annoying.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I still don't get why fans are still ripping Mike over the QB position with him having really 0 options elsewhere.

I still don't get why some people are willing to rationalize every decision Mike Shanahan makes?

Grossman finished the season 28th by QB rating.

I don't think it asking too much that our QB situation not get worse each year.(Campbell to McNabb to Rex/BEck)

I don't think its too much to ask to have our QB finish better then 28th?

So unless 28th is okay with you there were better options.

[SirClintonPortis]

All it takes is one GM's mancrush on Flynn. I do not believe Shanahan is that guy though. He likes his QBs at least a little mobile...although Kyle might beg to differ...but Kyle is the subordinate.

[Gtothearry]

So, we sign Flynn and draft Blackmon with the first pick and then OL or CB with the 2nd.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

So, we sign Flynn and draft Blackmon with the first pick and then OL or CB with the 2nd.

Actually as someone pointed out, Blackmon is a good candidate to end up in St. Louis. Either they trade back with us or Cleveland for RG3 or the Rams just keep the pick and draft Blackmon. And no way would I count on us draft an OL in the second. Maybe a CB, but if we're going with generic positions I'd elect/predict a safety or an ILB. Either way it'll probably be some obscure position that no one is really expecting to be a position of immediate need.

Then again Matt Kalil has also been linked a lot to the Rams but how many more lineman can the Rams draft before the fans say they've had enough?

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

So, we sign Flynn and draft Blackmon with the first pick and then OL or CB with the 2nd.

This

[That Guy]

is RG3 a safe bet? no. is bradford? is flynn? is sanchez?

If I was choosing among those four, I'd try flynn, grubbs and a FA WR, draft the best available (though an OT and CB would be prefered and maybe a 2nd tier QB).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

is RG3 a safe bet? no. is bradford? is flynn? is sanchez?

If I was choosing among those four, I'd try flynn, grubbs and a FA WR, draft the best available (though an OT and CB would be prefered and maybe a 2nd tier QB).

I'd be on board with that plan.