I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

[Chico23231]

We need a QB more than we need Orakpo at this point. Love the guy but deuces.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

We need a QB more than we need Orakpo at this point. Love the guy but deuces.

lol we're not going to get a QB for orakpo, nor a 1st round pick. and throwing him into a deal that we would already be sacrificng alot of picks and worth in picks...?

it wouldnt make sense even if they wanted to trade him...

[Meks]

*double

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Dont be stupid people.

Orakpos a good player, but his value doesn't even approach that of a franchise qb.

Bradford > orakpo and our 1st round pick.

Luck > our first and 2nd this year, 1st next year, orakpo, and Trent Williams.

We are not going to get a franchise qb without giving up ALOT.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Dont be stupid people.

Orakpos a good player, but his value doesn't even approach that of a franchise qb.

Bradford > orakpo and our 1st round pick.

Luck > our first and 2nd this year, 1st next year, orakpo, and Trent Williams.

We are not going to get a franchise qb without giving up ALOT.

Can't our first round pick alone become a QB more skilled than Sam Bradford? You have the sixth pick in the draft: that's more valuable than Sam Bradford, even if you strip the value of the pick to simply taking the best QB available.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can't our first round pick alone become a QB more skilled than Sam Bradford? You have the sixth pick in the draft: that's more valuable than Sam Bradford, even if you strip the value of the pick to simply taking the best QB available.

Luck and rg3 are the only qbs I'd take with a first round pick and they'll be gone

[CapitalDefense]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Dont be stupid people.

Orakpos a good player, but his value doesn't even approach that of a franchise qb.

Bradford > orakpo and our 1st round pick.

Luck > our first and 2nd this year, 1st next year, orakpo, and Trent Williams.

We are not going to get a franchise qb without giving up ALOT.

Bingo

[GTripp0012]

If you want verification on the Orakpo rumors, just look around at how any of the other Cerrato acquisitions have been treated by this administration. You move him in a trade, you let Landry walk in free agency, you let McIntosh walk in free agency, and Kevin Barnes may or may not get a spot on the 53 man, then voila: you've erased pretty much every Cerrato acquisition from the team. Mission accomplished: team rebuilt!

Here's why I'm skeptical of the Bradford rumors: if one of the only things Mike and Kyle Shanahan agree upon is that there are only 10 or so "franchise" quarterbacks in the world, is Bradford really one of those guys? If so, why has he looked so awful in the last two or three years? I have no definitive opinion on what Sam Bradford is at this point, but if you are a quarterback elitist -- and the Shanahans appear to be QB elitists -- you already know Bradford isn't one of those 10 guys. So it would seem like the type of guy that can truly value Sam Bradford is one who believes that pro bowl quarterback talent can come from a lot of places and just like Sean Payton took Drew Brees to the next level, you can come in and take Sam Bradford and make a pro bowler out of him.

The whole reason the Redskins ended up with Grossman and Beck last year is because system guys are all the same.

The Luck interest makes sense: if a lot of teams are sure of one thing in this draft, it is that Andrew Luck is one of the 10 guys in the world who can handle every facet of the quarterback position in the NFL. And it makes sense to exhaust every shot to get one of those guys. I don't think the Redskins and Colts and Rams will all be able to agree on compensation: there's just too many moving parts and too many people involved where just one guy can say no and throw the whole trade off. But I had heard wind of those two teams (Indy and St. Louis) talking even before they knew who had the first pick and who had the second pick (the potential compensation though (two firsts, two seconds) is something that I was just speculating on). This is the first I've ever heard of the REDSKINS being involved in those discussions. But if you're willing to speculate a bit, if the Rams and Colts are going to discuss Luck/Griffin, it would make sense for the Redskins to get involved in those discussion.

I still believe this is an extreme longshot, and the Colts kind of need to pay Manning's bonus for any of this to have a shot of happening. If Manning is released, Luck to the Colts is a foregone conclusion.

[Chico23231]

Is it too crazy to think the Colts would like RG3 more than Luck? I dont think it is

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Is it too crazy to think the Colts would like RG3 more than Luck? I dont think it is

It's an easy way to avoid the Manning-Luck drama. Get a ton of picks, and pick up a QB you really like instead of perhaps the best available QB.

If Manning is released by the Colts though, the gap between Luck and Griffin looks so much bigger than it does if Manning is the Colts starting QB in 2012 or 2013. So much of the value of having Luck is that he's (when grading conceptually) one of the three or four most advanced NFL prospects since Manning. So many of Luck's bad plays in college are just arrogance: "I can make this throw back across my body deep to the post because I'm Andrew Luck, and no one else in college ever throws this ball." There's only about 6 or 7 guys in the pros who make the throws Luck makes in college.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Colt McCoy: Haven't heard his name mentioned even once to DC..which is why I keep saying he's the sleeper QB we're going to get

This would be my ideal. Trade the six pick for McCoy and the 22nd pick and a 4th or 5th round pick. Of course it only makes sense if nobody leaps Cleveland to take RG3 with the Rams 2nd overall. Maybe we could work a three team with the Rams to ensure they get RG3 and an offensive playmaker (Blackmon or Richardson).

I would hate trading Rak and a bunch of picks to move up to 2.

[diehardskin2982]

Why not target Matt Schaub. With the success of Yates last year wouldn't that make Schaub exespendable? What would be his price tag?

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Why not target Matt Schaub. With the success of Yates last year wouldn't that make Schaub exespendable? What would be his price tag?

For that matter, why not Yates? Schaub has missed significant time 3 out of 5 seasons with the Texans. If I'm the Texans I keep a backup (or 3) at QB if Schaub is the starter.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Why not target Matt Schaub. With the success of Yates last year wouldn't that make Schaub exespendable? What would be his price tag?

Success?

[NC_Skins]

Why do you even bother responding to the peanut gallery SS?...lol I'm glad we have so few like him that act like that. Most of us understand the deal and realize the information is changing constantly.