I Want ----- To Shut Me Up In 2012

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

I really dont think DHall should even be mentioned. Theres many teams with a lesser #1 CB and if were crying over DHall or nebody who is for that matter lost all touch with the game to me. Maybe DHall will be a liability in a couple years with ageing but not NOW. Hes not Champ Bailey we know that... hes not perfect either we know that too but DHall is consistent enough TO ME to not be mentioned on a shut me up thread because hes had some nice performances for us and i cant think of one game he was the reason we lost besides the ONE PLAY Dez got free for ONE CATCH after DHall had shut him down all game. And if u ask me it was our offense to blame that game.

I think I just want more consistency out of him. Its not bad to be average so long as you're consistent. Sometimes D.Hall is snagging 4 ints in a game and other times he's getting burned left and right and saying he deserves to be cut from the team.

I don't mind a guy who isn't going to get a ton of ints, but can shut down his man. I just want Hall to shut his mouth and be consistent.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I don't mind a guy who isn't going to get a ton of ints, but can shut down his man. I just want Hall to shut his mouth and be consistent.

Amen. Just prove you can do your assignment.

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

I really dont think DHall should even be mentioned. Theres many teams with a lesser #1 CB and if were crying over DHall or nebody who is for that matter lost all touch with the game to me. Maybe DHall will be a liability in a couple years with ageing but not NOW. Hes not Champ Bailey we know that... hes not perfect either we know that too but DHall is consistent enough TO ME to not be mentioned on a shut me up thread because hes had some nice performances for us and i cant think of one game he was the reason we lost besides the ONE PLAY Dez got free for ONE CATCH after DHall had shut him down all game. And if u ask me it was our offense to blame that game.

I agree. But that cover 0 that Haslett called without safety help over the top is just plain stupid. One play play beats you on 3rd and 17 (or whatever it was) and to not have safety help is CRAZY to me.

[GTripp0012]

It's kind of late for the front office to prove me wrong (though they'll have plenty of time this weekend to make me look bad), so I'll go with Kyle Shanahan. Make RG3 and Pierre Garcon and Leonard Hankerson look like a real, NFL passing offense that can light up the scoreboard. Outscheme the opposing defensive coordinators on a weekly basis. Show me you're better at your job than Mike would be.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

I hate to say it, but I'd like Garcon and Morgan to prove me wrong.
I don't think they're terrible or anything, I just feel like they're the type of receivers that you pick up in your fantasy league in the middle of the week because you're #3 WR pulled his hammy.

[Paintrain]

I don't get why Hall gets SO much focus. He's not our top defensive player and not our worst. I remember after that 4 int game there were those on here criticizing him chalking it all up to luck. Ah well.

For me it's Helu. I've called him a change of pace back and said he lacks the vision to find holes and cutback lanes like a top back. I think he's good but short of great. I'd love for him to be great because that would make our offense dynamic.

If I had to pick on defense, I'd probably go with Barnes. I think he'll be lucky to make it out of camp, he showed me nothing at all last year. Another wasted Cerrato pick.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't get why Hall gets SO much focus. He's not our top defensive player and not our worst. I remember after that 4 int game there were those on here criticizing him chalking it all up to luck. Ah well.

For me it's Helu. I've called him a change of pace back and said he lacks the vision to find holes and cutback lanes like a top back. I think he's good but short of great. I'd love for him to be great because that would make our offense dynamic.

If I had to pick on defense, I'd probably go with Barnes. I think he'll be lucky to make it out of camp, he showed me nothing at all last year. Another wasted Cerrato pick.

Problem is, he is the #1 CB. If he was the nickle or dime back, I doubt people would be complaining. Or maybe they would be, but I wouldn't. I think Hall would actually be a quite good nickle back.

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Problem is, he is the #1 CB. If he was the nickle or dime back, I doubt people would be complaining. Or maybe they would be, but I wouldn't. I think Hall would actually be a quite good nickle back.

They probably would complain. The people who bash D Hall actually believe that he is worst than our 2nd, 3rd and 4th DB's because they only remember the plays where he gets beat. Nobody says anything about the plays that he covers his man - they only speak about when he gets beat. This is the nature of playing CB.

I agree, the problem is that he is our #1 CB. I personally have D Hall being better than a nickel back tho - I have him being a starter - a 2nd corner who is asked to be a #1 CB. If we let our backup DB's cover the #1 receiver each week then the D Hall bashers would see that he is actually our best option right now. They just see D Hall getting beat and then say "he sucks". lol He is not worst than our 3rd and 4th DB's and we have no other options. I could understand bashing him if we had better options but we don't. These people that say get rid of D Hall crack me up.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Problem is, he is the #1 CB. If he was the nickle or dime back, I doubt people would be complaining. Or maybe they would be, but I wouldn't. I think Hall would actually be a quite good nickle back.

Problem is that people dont like him, on top of his annoying inconsistencies. And the coaching staff refuse to admit that he is not a no. 1 CB.

Our secondary is terrible and I really dont expect much out of them. Our secondary was pretty terrible even when Rogers was here. I just hope that our offense and pass rush is good enough to compensate for this weakness.

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[GTripp0012]

If Hall's not our worst defensive player, who is?

It would have to be someone who has yet to develop like Barnes, or someone we just acquired, like Meriweather. Otherwise, who on the defense is in the same league as Hall in terms of negative defensive value?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Hall's not our worst defensive player, who is?

It would have to be someone who has yet to develop like Barnes, or someone we just acquired, like Meriweather. Otherwise, who on the defense is in the same league as Hall in terms of negative defensive value?

Well at varying points last year it would have been anyone who lined up at safety ( Doughty, Gomes, Atogwe) or McIntosh when he was in the game. Now, the same could be said for any of our projected safeties, any of our nickel corners.. Hall is an average cover corner with playmaking skills. He's not elite nor is he hot garbage.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Well at varying points last year it would have been anyone who lined up at safety ( Doughty, Gomes, Atogwe) or McIntosh when he was in the game. Now, the same could be said for any of our projected safeties, any of our nickel corners.. Hall is an average cover corner with playmaking skills. He's not elite nor is he hot garbage.

At times, he's in fact not hot garbage, and even makes consecutive plays. But the season is too long, and he gets exposed every year.

I don't think its conclusive that Doughty plays defense worse than Hall does, but it's been a pretty fierce incompetence battle over the last two seasons.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

At times, he's in fact not hot garbage, and even makes consecutive plays. But the season is too long, and he gets exposed every year.

I don't think its conclusive that Doughty plays defense worse than Hall does, but it's been a pretty fierce incompetence battle over the last two seasons.

There's something to say about a guy who is always near the tackle but never part of it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by imaskin4life

I agree. But that cover 0 that Haslett called without safety help over the top is just plain stupid. One play play beats you on 3rd and 17 (or whatever it was) and to not have safety help is CRAZY to me.

And this is the reason why our secondary will continue to suck unless our pass rush gets much better or our defensive coaches realize that we dont have the CBs to pull this off.

I do think that an improved offense will help a lot, and hopefully they wont always put the defense in situations where they have to keep a small lead.

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[VegasSkinsFan]

I might get killed for this be Fletcher. I'm worried that when he starts to go downhill it's going to happen like a porn star hooked on meth.