Commanders Post at The Warpath  

Home | Forums | Donate | Shop




Go Back   Commanders Post at The Warpath > Commanders Football > Locker Room Main Forum

Locker Room Main Forum Commanders Football & NFL discussion


Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Locker Room Main Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-28-2012, 11:19 PM   #1
Dirtbag59
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 40
Posts: 14,750
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCSkin View Post
I really don't like this pick.

Ernie Accorsi didn't give up the ranch to get Eli and then turn around and draft Luke McCown in the 4th round as some sort of hedge.
Actually it would have been closer to the Giants drafting Eli in round 1 and Schuab in round 4 (Schuab was picked very close to where the Skins selected Cousins and both had similar pre draft grades and legacies).
__________________
"It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice."
- Scooter

"I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now."
- FRPLG
Dirtbag59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2012, 01:48 AM   #2
SirClintonPortis
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtbag59 View Post
Actually it would have been closer to the Giants drafting Eli in round 1 and Schuab in round 4 (Schuab was picked very close to where the Skins selected Cousins and both had similar pre draft grades and legacies).
Hell, even though they were picked in different years, this is like Vick and Schaub or Rodgers and the pair taken in 2008. The backups who have no shot at making it as THE GUY on the team that drafted them but eventually might succeed elsewhere.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2012, 10:50 AM   #3
Dirtbag59
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 40
Posts: 14,750
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis View Post
Hell, even though they were picked in different years, this is like Vick and Schaub or Rodgers and the pair taken in 2008. The backups who have no shot at making it as THE GUY on the team that drafted them but eventually might succeed elsewhere.
It really is scary how similar they are (Schuab and Cousins). Funny to think that in 3 or 4 years the Skins could go from having no capable QB's to having 2. All Cousins draft position did was seal the deal as he was picked 12 picks after the spot Schuab went in the 2004 draft (90-102).

Also the media attention might be a good thing because it introduces the fans to Kirk Cousins so down the road if he plays well in the preseason and then spot duty like Schuab and an owner wants to bring in a potential QB to appease the fan base or is thinking about approving a trade Cousins won't be a name out of left field.
__________________
"It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice."
- Scooter

"I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now."
- FRPLG
Dirtbag59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2012, 12:28 PM   #4
vallin21
The Starter
 
vallin21's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,198
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtbag59 View Post
It really is scary how similar they are (Schuab and Cousins). Funny to think that in 3 or 4 years the Skins could go from having no capable QB's to having 2. All Cousins draft position did was seal the deal as he was picked 12 picks after the spot Schuab went in the 2004 draft (90-102).

Also the media attention might be a good thing because it introduces the fans to Kirk Cousins so down the road if he plays well in the preseason and then spot duty like Schuab and an owner wants to bring in a potential QB to appease the fan base or is thinking about approving a trade Cousins won't be a name out of left field.
Agree 100%... The media attention is beneficial; It's amazing that just 3-4 months ago, most didn't want Grossman back; we draft Cousins, and the ones who wanted Grossman out, are bitching about us drafting a better, and younger backup QB in Cousins. Did we need to draft him? Maybe not. But the dropoff in talent and prodution between the starting QB and the backup QB is pretty huge on most teams in the league. It's always good to have a backup who can, and has the potential to start and win you games. There are so many positives about this pick: In 2-3 years, we can trade him for a high draft pick, we don't have to worry about the backup QB spot for at least 2-3 years, which means no more signing Grossman to 1 year deals, it motivates and pushes RG3 to perform at a high level, and it saves Shanahan's ass and gives him and Allen an insurance plan/Plan B, if RG3's (I hope not) a complete fail. But to start, KIRK COUSIN'S IS RG3'S BACKUP WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE DRAFTED IN THE SAME YEAR AS RG3 AND 100 SPOT'S LATER.
vallin21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 08:27 PM   #5
Alvin Walton
Pro Bowl
 
Alvin Walton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Holland, Michigan
Posts: 5,741
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Ernie Accorsi can eat the fuzzies outa my butt crack.
__________________
REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968
Alvin Walton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 08:28 PM   #6
REDSKINS4ever
Playmaker
 
REDSKINS4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Washington, D.C.
Posts: 4,117
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

The Kirk Cousins pick was in my opinion the second best pick next to the Griffin III pick. Most GMs had a first round grade on this kid and he should have been selected by the second round. He was certainly projected to be drafted before Nick Foles, but that wasn't the case only because the Eagles reached for Foles. But I am very delighted with the selection of Cousins. I don't understand how he fell to the fourth round.
REDSKINS4ever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 09:03 PM   #7
Lotus
Fire Bruce NOW
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 11,434
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Quote:
Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever View Post
The Kirk Cousins pick was in my opinion the second best pick next to the Griffin III pick. Most GMs had a first round grade on this kid and he should have been selected by the second round. He was certainly projected to be drafted before Nick Foles, but that wasn't the case only because the Eagles reached for Foles. But I am very delighted with the selection of Cousins. I don't understand how he fell to the fourth round.
That is quite obviously untrue. If he were a first or second round quarterback in the eyes of GM's, he would have been chosen sooner.
__________________
Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250)
Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350)
Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444)
Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430)
We won more with Vinny
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 08:43 PM   #8
Dirtbag59
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 40
Posts: 14,750
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

As good as Griffin is going to be you still have to remember that he is an injury risk
A Fan’s Look at Baylor’s Robert Griffin III’s Concussion - Yahoo! Sports



Until April 2015 the Redskins will have little to gain by loosing out and if your backup QB is Curtis Painter or Doug Johnson well needless to say you're screwed.
__________________
"It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice."
- Scooter

"I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now."
- FRPLG
Dirtbag59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 09:25 PM   #9
los panda
Pro Bowl
 
los panda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 5,230
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

if he's todd collins i'm happy
__________________
9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 81
los panda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 10:13 PM   #10
stu_nna
Special Teams
 
stu_nna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Virginia
Age: 48
Posts: 239
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

How is it possible this could ever be considered a bad pick. Who gives a rats ass what message he's sending to the media/fan base? Its about competition and surrounding Griffin with some one who's book smarts and work ethic are as high (maybe higher?) than his. Cousins has got talent and can help push RG3 and his superior physical gifts to its limits. Cousins is a film junkie, I havent heard that about Griffin and it will rub off on him as they progress together. The media can scream controversy until its blue in the face, but this move keeps Griffin dedicated, and focused. A cerebal QB with high upside is exactly what the doctor recommended. Future draft picks five years from now, only makes this seem that much sweeter...
stu_nna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 10:21 PM   #11
SirClintonPortis
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Quote:
Originally Posted by stu_nna View Post
How is it possible this could ever be considered a bad pick. Who gives a rats ass what message he's sending to the media/fan base? Its about competition and surrounding Griffin with some one who's book smarts and work ethic are as high (maybe higher?) than his. Cousins has got talent and can help push RG3 and his superior physical gifts to its limits. Cousins is a film junkie, I havent heard that about Griffin and it will rub off on him as they progress together. The media can scream controversy until its blue in the face, but this move keeps Griffin dedicated, and focused. A cerebal QB with high upside is exactly what the doctor recommended. Future draft picks five years from now, only makes this seem that much sweeter...
Plus they might improve each other by pointing out what the other does not see.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 10:22 PM   #12
Dirtbag59
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 40
Posts: 14,750
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Quote:
Originally Posted by stu_nna View Post
How is it possible this could ever be considered a bad pick. Who gives a rats ass what message he's sending to the media/fan base? Its about competition and surrounding Griffin with some one who's book smarts and work ethic are as high (maybe higher?) than his. Cousins has got talent and can help push RG3 and his superior physical gifts to its limits. Cousins is a film junkie, I havent heard that about Griffin and it will rub off on him as they progress together. The media can scream controversy until its blue in the face, but this move keeps Griffin dedicated, and focused. A cerebal QB with high upside is exactly what the doctor recommended. Future draft picks five years from now, only makes this seem that much sweeter...
Griffin graduated with a 3.67 GPA at Baylor. I doubt studying film will be much of a problem for him.

People point out that Griffin was in the media spotlight more then Luck. Well after this weekend it should be painfully obvious why he was. Griffin is extremely charismatic and well spoken, ie media savy. As one of the beat writers reported he had one interview after another and every one sounded different.

Luck meanwhile, despite being very smart and probably a very nice guy isn't exactly the best interview.
__________________
"It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice."
- Scooter

"I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now."
- FRPLG
Dirtbag59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 10:55 PM   #13
SirClintonPortis
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtbag59 View Post
Luck meanwhile, despite being very smart and probably a very nice guy isn't exactly the best interview.
Luck is the epitome of how appearances can deceive. Sounds stupid, looks ugly, but a damn fine athlete and a top quarterback.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 10:17 PM   #14
BigHairedAristocrat
Playmaker
 
BigHairedAristocrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,712
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

The biggest worry with a mobile quarterback like griffin is that he'll get hurt.

This is my favorite pick from days 2 and 3 of the draft because it means that if Griffin goes down, Rex or beck won't be going in, we can lose griffin and still have a chance. love this pick
__________________
Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.
BigHairedAristocrat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2012, 10:24 PM   #15
MTK
Hail Raiser
 
MTK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 53
Posts: 100,050
Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

The media loves a sexy headline, and they're certainly trying their best to turn this into something it's not. I just laughed when ESPN said "Is RG3 being challenged already?"

I mean please.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
MTK is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
We have no official affiliation with the Washington Commanders or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.72295 seconds with 10 queries