Is excitement enough in 2012?

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree. The biggest thing for everyone to remember too at this point is we're all talking in likelihoods. If we have major injuries we could lose another 10-12 games. If we are remarkably healthy we could win 11-12. When I say 8-8 is reasonable I mean in a typical year with typical injuries and everything working out about average compared to last year.

There most certainly will be injuries. EVERY team will be injured by the end of the regular season/beginning of playoffs. The teams that have depth will be successful. If I remember correctly the super bowl champs- NY Giants were fortunate in the sense that they had most of their key injuries early in the season and they were back by the end of the season/playoffs. One of the biggest factors in our success/failure will be how our backups step up when injuries happen - depth - especially on the 1. o line and 2. secondary.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair points, but the Cowboys have been together for a while yet can't seem to win a playoff game. The Giants played great in the clutch, yet barely won the division. The Eagles scare me a bit this year for some reason but they're not the Packers. There are no world beaters in this division. I think we need to get over the notion that the NFC East is a black and blue division right now. It's just frankly not.

That said, I think you need to give more than a cursory blanket statement to support your call for another poor season.

Let's name the reasons why we went 5-11 last year:

1) Lots of injuries and suspensions coupled with poor depth
2) Terrible secondary play
3) Grossman's high turnover rate (20 picks and 5 lost fumbles in 13 games)
4) Not enough skill position weapons

#1 is addressed just by the return of healthy players. #3 is somewhat addressed by Griffin, who will probably throw picks but won't get sacked nearly as much. And #4 is addressed by Garcon, Morgan, and the return of Hankerson and Fred Davis.

2) is still a major problem.

But I don't see how that doesn't equate to at least a 2 or 3 game improvement over last year's 5-11 debacle. Care to elaborate?

Not to harp on Beck, but let's also remember that we were 0-3 with him, and while that doesn't excuse the coaches for keeping him in, I think if Griffin goes out, RG-INT is still capable of winning a game or two in a stretch, and Cousins probably is as well.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

1) Lots of injuries and suspensions coupled with poor depth
2) Terrible secondary play
3) Grossman's high turnover rate (20 picks and 5 lost fumbles in 13 games)
4) Not enough skill position weapons

?

Except for grossman you just named the Giants reasons for a 9-7 season,we had 10 people on IR the first time we player the Skins(opening day) 6 of those were DB's.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Except for grossman you just named the Giants reasons for a 9-7 season,we had 10 people on IR the first time we player the Skins(opening day) 6 of those were DB's.

and number 4. you D-Line and WR corp and QB qualify as a skilled positions, you have above average talent on that team. Your right about your secondary, its full of garbage players.


You need to quit with the excuses and get over the fact we whipped your ass twice last year in convicing fashion. Let it go

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think we all need to remember that the teams in our division have been together a while. All those QB's have been in the same offense and are throwing the the same guys.Vick, Manning and Romo are all in the primes of their careers. We're putting in a lot of new parts in. Gotta be patient and give it time. That's why I'm not expecting a playoff run.

Well the Eagles took a step backwards last year after adding all those superstars and who says it will be any better for them this year. I alos think vick is on the decline and with the hits he has taken over the years he could go real quick. Romo will play good enough to keep his job but he is still Homo Romo. We beat the Giants twice last year so maybe we have their number. For some reason I think we make the playoffs this year. We will be the 48ers of last year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well the Eagles took a step backwards last year after adding all those superstars and who says it will be any better for them this year. I alos think vick is on the decline and with the hits he has taken over the years he could go real quick. Romo will play good enough to keep his job but he is still Homo Romo. We beat the Giants twice last year so maybe we have their number. For some reason I think we make the playoffs this year. We will be the 48ers of last year.

You...are...awesome!!!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well the Eagles took a step backwards last year after adding all those superstars and who says it will be any better for them this year. I alos think vick is on the decline and with the hits he has taken over the years he could go real quick. Romo will play good enough to keep his job but he is still Homo Romo. We beat the Giants twice last year so maybe we have their number. For some reason I think we make the playoffs this year. We will be the 48ers of last year.

Vick won't quit anytime soon (short of a career-ending injury) but I think you're right about a decline in performance. The dude just gets effed up too much because of his size and style.

[FRPLG]

RG3 > RG0

RG0 did not win us a game last year or ever. Good QBs can win games for you.

RG3's mobility alone and, hopefully, accuracy on the deep routes translates to a significant upgrade that, all else being equal, is 2 games. If RG3 can simply approximate RG0's effectiveness between the numbers, turnovers and all, we're immediately better at the position before he has even matured. RG3 will perform better as our starting QB from day one then RG0 ever did and that will mean wins.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

RG3 > RG0

RG0 did not win us a game last year or ever. Good QBs can win games for you.

RG3's mobility alone and, hopefully, accuracy on the deep routes translates to a significant upgrade that, all else being equal, is 2 games. If RG3 can simply approximate RG0's effectiveness between the numbers, turnovers and all, we're immediately better at the position before he has even matured. RG3 will perform better as our starting QB from day one then RG0 ever did and that will mean wins.

RG0 is cool and everything, but I think it far better to refer to Grossman as RG-3-and-out.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

RG0 is cool and everything, but I think it far better to refer to Grossman as RG-3-and-out.

Or RG-3-interceptions.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

RG0 is cool and everything, but I think it far better to refer to Grossman as RG-3-and-out.

I approve.

[FRPLG]

The 48ers. They must have been the prospectors who found the gold first.

[CultBrennan59]

I feel like we will be 8-8, 9-7 at best on our schedule. We play the AFC North with a New Steeler defense, A pissed of Cleveland brown team that didn't get RG3, a reloaded and less of a joke Bengals team, and the consistently good powerful ravens defense/team. I'm very very excited to see how we far against the AFC North. We could go 0-4, or we could go 3-1. I honestly think that the Ravens are in their absolute last year of going to a super bowl with Ray Lewis. The steelers are the steelers, always good, and they've had our number for the past 8 years. We also play them AT Pittsburgh which is always tough. Having said that, their defense isn't as experience as it has been in the past with some major veteran losses on the interior. And their CB's suck. It will be interesting when Griffin goes against them, because it will be later in the season, so he'll know what to expect from 3-4 defenses and creative blitzing more by then.

We have to play the tough NFC South, which is almost a copy cat of the AFC North except more offense based instead of defense based teams. I believe we beat the saints. The falcons are great at home, but we play them here. The Bucs are the browns equivalent, and at home, but I feel like we'll be better--classic wildcard game of either team could be easily seen as the winner. And the panthers. That will be The Game to see. Two great athletic QBs. I say we lose, but close. Then again our defense will be used to going against a faster QB by then, so that could help. Edge to the panthers. It will be great. Worst case we go 1-3 in that division. Best case we could go 3-1.

Then the NFC East which is always a play or two away division from deciding whose in last place and whos going to the playoffs. I say we split the Gmen, beatup the Cowgirls both games, and split the eagles (although I could see the eagles beating us both times with an improved defense--I picked them to be in the super bowl this year against the Ravens.)


It will be great watching speed this year. Our strength with be our speed on offense with our skilled positions and defense with our pass rush. Our weakness will be our CB/S's and lack of tackling/poor coverage.

[CrustyRedskin]

The Gold Rush actually began in 1848.

[SirClintonPortis]

8-8 or 9-7 are my expectations...although who knows how bad our secondary is going to be...could make the season 7-9....