I can't wait to hear the other side...

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I agree with you to a certaint extent daseal, I think that it was a frustrating year for anybody who had anything to do with the team last year. We had the potiental to be superbowl contenders. We had more weapons on offense than most teams in the NFL, and the #1 defense in the NFC. We had no reason to be as badd as we were period.

Superbowl contenders?! Excuse my rudeness but are you out of your mind? We had average line play due to injuries. Our #1 WR coudln't do what he was supposed to be able to do. Our pro bowl level RB couldn't run in the system we had. Our QB play was atrocious to at best average in any given week. And as far as I know before the season not one reputable analyst even gave a second thought to the SKins and the superbowl. At most we were a playoff team in their minds. Was it possible to make the Superbowl with the team we had. We'll never know but I suspect we could have without injuries. But a contender? Not in any reasonable sense of the word.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Superbowl contenders?! Excuse my rudeness but are you out of your mind?

I can name at least three magazines before the start of last season that had us going to the playoffs and possibly taking the eagles out at the beginning of last season before Jansen was lost.we were excellent on paper. That injury killed the season. but we had very high expectations comming into last season. Any team can when on any given sunday. You can't tell me that if the offense could even halfway meet the play of the defense last season that we couldn't have went far into the playoffs. We had a better defense than the eagles and we had a better running back as well. Hell our total supporting cast around the qb was better than the eagles! but they couldn't get it done when it counted.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

we were excellent on paper.

We're ALWAYS excellent on paper. we play on turf, so it doesn't translate, ever. I'd take a really horrible off season, dreadful pre-season and a great season followed by a perfect post-season, thanks.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

We had a better defense than the eagles and we had a better running back as well. Hell our total supporting cast around the qb was better than the eagles! but they couldn't get it done when it counted.

If our offense matched our defense we should have made the playoffs, but not the Super Bowl.. Our supporting cast was not as good as the Eagles, sorry.. Chad Lewis and LJ Smith are better than any TE/H-Back on our roster. T.O. is ten times the WR than anyone on our roster as well and McNabb is leaps and bounds better than our QBs.. With a good offense we could have been 10-6, 11-5, but Super Bowl, I don't think so.

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If our offense matched our defense we should have made the playoffs, but not the Super Bowl.. Our supporting cast was not as good as the Eagles, sorry.. Chad Lewis and LJ Smith are better than any TE/H-Back on our roster. T.O. is ten times the WR than anyone on our roster as well and McNabb is leaps and bounds better than our QBs.. With a good offense we could have been 10-6, 11-5, but Super Bowl, I don't think so.

As bad as the NFC was, we were really just a few plays away from winning a couple more games and making the playoffs. And the way I think of it, once your in, it's anyone's game. See the 2000 Ravens and Giants, 2001 Pats, 2002 Bucs, 2003 Panthers, etc....

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I can name at least three magazines before the start of last season that had us going to the playoffs and possibly taking the eagles out at the beginning of last season before Jansen was lost.we were excellent on paper. That injury killed the season. but we had very high expectations comming into last season. Any team can when on any given sunday. You can't tell me that if the offense could even halfway meet the play of the defense last season that we couldn't have went far into the playoffs. We had a better defense than the eagles and we had a better running back as well. Hell our total supporting cast around the qb was better than the eagles! but they couldn't get it done when it counted.

Name 'em...

And if you do..I don't care what was said before the season really. What does matter is what could have reasonable been expected of this season given what we know. We know they had issues. From top to bottom. But there is no way this team was winning or contending for the super bowl last year. There just wasn't. I don't care who the coach was.

[Daseal]

Ramsey didn't "sign up" for getting his dick knocked into the dirt for 2 years under Spurrier and then have to take the job from aincient Mark Brunell, but he still showed up to work every day and didn't ask to be released.

He asked to be traded.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Daseal

He asked to be traded.

Actually he said he wasn't happy with having to compete with Brunell, his agent requested the trade. Ramsey said after he met with Gibbs that he didn't want to be traded at any point, he just wanted to know he had a fair chance at the job.

[Redskins_P]

Ramsey and Coles are two totally different situations. Ramsey wanted out because he felt like he was the starter and then we went of and paid Brunell like he was the next coming of John Elway.

Coles' situation is clearly selfishness. He wants out because he wants the ball more, and wants to be the go to guy on offense.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Ramsey and Coles are two totally different situations. Ramsey wanted out because he felt like he was the starter and then we went of and paid Brunell like he was the next coming of John Elway.

Coles' situation is clearly selfishness. He wants out because he wants the ball more, and wants to be the go to guy on offense.

Exactly.. It's not like they went out and got someone to replace Coles.. He was still going to be the #1 receiver regardless so that just makes him look all the more selfish..

Originally Posted by Brud Lee

I think Costanza and Seinfeld spelled it out best.
George: "Why can't there be some things just for me? Is that so selfish?"
Jerry: "Actually, that's the definition of selfish."

Maybe Coles got tossed from FSU before vocabulary class.

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Coles' situation is clearly selfishness. He wants out because he wants the ball more, and wants to be the go to guy on offense.

Agreed.
Ummm....90 catches, third in the league....I'd say he was the go-to-guy and he got the ball plenty! If you mean the go-to-guy as opposed to Portis, don't the Jets have some guy named Martin that their offense is built around???

[56FAN]

I Really Thought He Had Changed From His Earlier Years, But Coles Still Seems To Be Suckin That Ol Thumb. Gibbs Is Just A Man And Is Not Perfect, But He Is A Better Person. Coles Show's His True Color's By Running His Mouth Like A Baby. Snyder Was Justified For His Anger . It's Just Better That He's Gone. He Was A Cancer.

[JWsleep]

Here's my biggest problem with Coles: he didn't believe that the skins are going to be better next year and the year after that. If he didn't believe that, he was poison to the team. Does he really think they don't want to throw deep? With a better O-line (Jansen and Robach (sp?)), a more mature QB, a RB comfortable and running behind that improved O-line, the deep throws are going to be there. Did Coles think that we wouldn't TRY to throw deep to him? He got 90 passes in an offense that ran and punted all the time!

Basically, Gibbs said, hey, we're gonna open it up, and once the offense is in synch you'll be the next Gary Clark, and Coles said, I don't believe you coach Gibbs, I want out. Well, Bye, bye, BITCH. And please don't talk to me about respect.

As for playcalling and such, look Coles met with Gibbs more than once and they talked. Do you really think Gibbs just ignored Coles? I'm sure he took it into account and then made his game plan. I'm sure he also spoke to Portis, Ramsey, Bugel, etc, etc. But the coach makes the decisions. Note to Coles: it's like that in NY as well.

As for the skins being good or not, and about Gibbs getting things going on offense, we'll just have to wait and see. Winning is the only thing that will decide the issue. Right now we're a 6-10 team in transition, so comparisons to the Iggles are beside the point.

[wolfeskins]

i don't think coles cared if the skins were going to be better next year or not , all he cared about was how coach gibbs was going to use him. coles is selfish, there really is NO OTHER WAY to put it.

[wolfeskins]

people predicted the skins were going to be good before the season started for the simple fact that gibbs was returning . you can bet your asses the predictions would not have been so favorable if spurier was the returning coach. the predictions would have been that the skins would be out of qbs by week 5.