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07-13-2013, 03:01 PM
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07-13-2013, 04:02 PM
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List
People get carried away with this "Best of ALL TIME " crap, the game was different for Montana and Marino ,teams were different some had good D's others were stacked on Offense. Bradshaw never had to carry a team by himself at the end of a game between his D and his O weapons ,Stuabach was awesome in the clutch....etc. Stats are great but as been said before the only stat that matters in the end is did they win the super bowl ?Hell even the fields and stadiums are different now ,everyone has their own opinion ...mine is Johnny Unitas, the man was perfect on the field.
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07-13-2013, 04:19 PM
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List
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Hell, if your talking purely on best NFL player ever, it might be Jerry Rice. And my best QB ever is Montana, but I think Manning (Peyton) has a very very good chance to be considered the best ever.
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07-13-2013, 04:22 PM
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List
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I think he's already in the discussion for best ever, but only having 1 ring will be used as a knock against him by some, fair or not. |
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07-13-2013, 04:26 PM
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Unfortunate that he didn't get that ring against New Orleans, but then again, Brees is a great QB who definitely deserved at least one ring for what he's done in the league. A name who I would put in my top 10 though is Kurt Warner. He took 2 teams to super bowls and has by far the best story of any of these QBs to of ever played.
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07-13-2013, 05:17 PM
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Right now its just him and Brady for the modern quarterbacks in terms of "best ever". And the only knock on Manning is he has a losing record in the playoffs, and every year people pick his team and he gets knocked out the first game of the playoffs. I'm pretty sure he has the most "one and dones" out of any quarterback in NFL history. And now everyone is jumping on the Broncos as superbowl favorites again this year, just like the old Colts. Its hard to overlook that. |
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07-13-2013, 05:50 PM
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List
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Why not Ben Roethlisberger and Eli both have more Super Bowls?
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07-13-2013, 04:12 PM
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List
Marino was probably the best pure passer I've seen, Montana would get my vote for tops of all time for being so cool under pressure and playing his best with a game on the line. But really, you could make an argument for a number of guys. It's splitting hairs after a while.
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07-13-2013, 05:59 PM
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But I'm not a Eli hater I do think he's a top 10 QB in today's league
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07-13-2013, 07:06 PM
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Again here is the question is it regular season or post season play that matters. As for INTs so what Bret Farve led the league 3 times in 93 , 05, 08 it's what happens when you work with young receiver's or a new O .
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07-13-2013, 08:34 PM
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Rothlisberger won 2 SB's on the back of the best defense in the game at the time (look at his SB stats, they arent that good). Brady won two SB's with a good defense, hasnt won anything since the Pats defense became average at best. That doesnt mean Brady has declined, it means the team he plays on has. A QB that can lead an offense to 40 points a game but his defense gives up 50 is going to get a lower rating in this whole thing than than a QB who can lead an offense to 17 points a game but has a defense that only gives up 10 a game. |
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07-13-2013, 06:02 PM
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I understand CB, we all have our own opinions, that's what makes the QB debate what it is. Someone mentioned peyton as the best? I think a losing playoff record really hurts him, that shows he isn't all that clutch if u look at stats and Wins and losses.
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07-13-2013, 08:15 PM
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07-13-2013, 08:32 PM
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It certainly is fair to argue that postseason success is a requirement for elite status, as Giantone has done. But it also is fair to argue that you can't be considered elite if you are a turnover machine, as Favre was and Eli is sometimes. Okie, you have a good argument.
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07-14-2013, 06:23 AM
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