Sean Taylor - What if...

[PSUSkinsFan21]

LOL........you might not be to far off with the heartless monster comment JWsleep. There are probably some posters who would agree with you. LOL

I see where you are coming from now though. And I think I'm ok with him starting if he comes to the mandatories and shows a good attitude when he gets here. I just get frustrated when it seems like we are the only team with a guy like this. I know there are other holdouts, but if we are all assuming for now that it's not about his contract, then who else in the entire NFL is not showing up to OTAs because they need more time at home? I just wasn't prepared to get this immature of a player when we drafted him last year (not that I'd be any happier with Winslow either).

[aprius]

Expecting a 22yo boy to act like a 40yo man is crazy....That being said...He should act like a decently intelligent college boy.....partying all night and having all the fun he can....Oh! Thats right! He is not at the U anymore, he is a Redskin!....Maybe he forgot too....

[Daseal]

PSUfan - Perhaps his family has jobs and they can't spend every waking moment in DC. He's playing pro ball, not supporting his support structure.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Daseal

PSUfan - Perhaps his family has jobs and they can't spend every waking moment in DC. He's playing pro ball, not supporting his support structure.

And how would that make him any different from EVERY OTHER player in the NFL? I'm not saying they should "spend every waking moment in DC," but he certainly has greater means to have his family visit him than the normal, everyday Joe who relocates for a job or goes off to school.

Again, why is it that we got stuck with the most emotionally fragile player in the NFL (if his adjustment to DC was so hard and if it's true that he's just really missing home......where he's been for months now)? It's not like there has never been a rookie in the NFL that's had to leave his home to start a life for himself. Yet here we are, trying to figure out why Taylor is seemingly the only guy in the NFL that can't make it to OTA's because why? Really, why? Plenty of guys aren't there because of injury (Arrington, Barrow), or legitimate excused personal reasons (Tupa), or holding out for a better contract (TO), or because they are going to be traded or released anyway (Gardner). So who in the NFL isn't there because they just want to spend more time at home? That's right, our guy. It's just rediculous. Here we are speculating that he's not there because he's "burned out" in his second year? Is that some kind of a joke? Other than Eric Crouch, I can't recall a player getting "burned out" so fast.

[joethiesmanfan]

to the two combatants take a break from the argument

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[Schneed10]

Thank God you're not the coach, PSU. Sorry, I missed your first post somehow. I can't believe you actually would keep Taylor out of the starting lineup for something this insignificant. If you follow that logic, you'd be sitting Javon Walker, Donovan Darius, and countless other players around the league who have held out for various reasons. And you'd end up losing games. Hell, you'd even have to sit Santana Moss. After all, he was under contract for one more year while he was sitting out waiting for his new contract, missing these voluntary practices.

If you do it to Taylor you have to do it to everyone else.

Think about sitting someone like Terrell Owens, who is calling out his QB in the media. But don't sit Sean Taylor for missing a series of practices that are taking place FIVE MONTHS before the season begins.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Thank God you're not the coach, PSU. Sorry, I missed your first post somehow. I can't believe you actually would keep Taylor out of the starting lineup for something this insignificant. If you follow that logic, you'd be sitting Javon Walker, Donovan Darius, and countless other players around the league who have held out for various reasons. And you'd end up losing games. Hell, you'd even have to sit Santana Moss. After all, he was under contract for one more year while he was sitting out waiting for his new contract, missing these voluntary practices.

If you do it to Taylor you have to do it to everyone else.

Think about sitting someone like Terrell Owens, who is calling out his QB in the media. But don't sit Sean Taylor for missing a series of practices that are taking place FIVE MONTHS before the season begins.

Said it before, say it again: #3 Defense in the NFL without Taylor starting a number of games. Sitting him for the first series in a few games is not going to cost anyone the game. It's not like second stringers in the NFL are completely incompetent. People are making it sound like without Taylor, there would just be some huge hole in the secondary. Like we'd have to play with 10 players on D until he plays again. Give me a break, he's really not that important. NO player is.

TO didn't play in the playoffs, and the Eagles won every game up to the super bowl, which he played in, and then they lost. I just think it's a mistake to put too much stock in any one player (except, perhaps your QB if you have a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady).

As for the other holdouts, see my last post above. ST is the ONLY guy in the NFL who is missing OTAs for, essentially, NO REASON AT ALL. I acknowledge that holding out for a contract is, considered by some, to be a valid tactic for increasing bargaining pressure. I certainly acknowledge that injuries are valid excuses as well. But what's ST's excuse? Really, what is the reason he is essentially flipping off the team and his coach? Because that's exactly what he's doing. Downplay it all you want that it's not "mandatory"........convince yourself that it's no big deal........but ST is giving a big "FU#K YOU" to the Redskins team and the coaching staff. Why it's so wrong to try to discipline a guy like that (the ONLY guy who misses OTAs without an excuse) is beyond me. (and NO, you're not going to lose a game by not starting ST......his not being the starter didn't account for a single one of our 10 losses last year, why would it this year?).

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Said it before, say it again: #3 Defense in the NFL without Taylor starting a number of games. Sitting him for the first series in a few games is not going to cost anyone the game. It's not like second stringers in the NFL are completely incompetent. People are making it sound like without Taylor, there would just be some huge hole in the secondary. Like we'd have to play with 10 players on D until he plays again. Give me a break, he's really not that important. NO player is.

TO didn't play in the playoffs, and the Eagles won every game up to the super bowl, which he played in, and then they lost. I just think it's a mistake to put too much stock in any one player (except, perhaps your QB if you have a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady).

As for the other holdouts, see my last post above. ST is the ONLY guy in the NFL who is missing OTAs for, essentially, NO REASON AT ALL. I acknowledge that holding out for a contract is, considered by some, to be a valid tactic for increasing bargaining pressure. I certainly acknowledge that injuries are valid excuses as well. But what's ST's excuse? Really, what is the reason he is essentially flipping off the team and his coach? Because that's exactly what he's doing. Downplay it all you want that it's not "mandatory"........convince yourself that it's no big deal........but ST is giving a big "FU#K YOU" to the Redskins team and the coaching staff. Why it's so wrong to try to discipline a guy like that (the ONLY guy who misses OTAs without an excuse) is beyond me. (and NO, you're not going to lose a game by not starting ST......his not being the starter didn't account for a single one of our 10 losses last year, why would it this year?).

You make good points here, but we've heard Gregg Williams say how important Taylor is. He has said Sean Taylor does things that you can't coach, with his speed and ability to cover such a large part of the field. That's the part you can't replace, I think Sean Taylor adds flexibility to the defense, because he has the ability to cover for mistakes that teammates might make just by his pure speed.

Plus, I'm concerned about our MLB position. Without a brain like Pierce calling the shots, we might have more defenders caught out of position this year. I think we're going to need Sean Taylor's recovery skills in there. Hopefully somebody can step up to be the QB of the D this year.

Sean Taylor is definitely a punk, that much we can agree on!

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You make good points here, but we've heard Gregg Williams say how important Taylor is. He has said Sean Taylor does things that you can't coach, with his speed and ability to cover such a large part of the field. That's the part you can't replace, I think Sean Taylor adds flexibility to the defense, because he has the ability to cover for mistakes that teammates might make just by his pure speed.

Plus, I'm concerned about our MLB position. Without a brain like Pierce calling the shots, we might have more defenders caught out of position this year. I think we're going to need Sean Taylor's recovery skills in there. Hopefully somebody can step up to be the QB of the D this year.

Sean Taylor is definitely a punk, that much we can agree on!

I do agree with what you are saying here. There's no doubt that Taylor has got some amazing football skills. I think, and hope, that he realizes all of his talents and becomes the pro bowler most of us believe he can become. And I think he's a valuable part of our Defense (I too have some concerns at MLB). No doubt about that. In all my negativity I don't want it to be lost that I believe he can be the best safety in football in a very short time. To get there, though, he needs to get his head in the game. I would hope that having his "starter" title stripped from him for a few games might do that, but I'm probably just naive to think it would work given his attitude so far.

I think the only place we really differed in this whole discussion was what, if any, actions should be taken to discipline him for what he's done so far. We can agree to disagree on that and both hope for an improved, more mature Sean Taylor to develop throughout 2005 and beyond.

[Riggo44]

Once he shows up this will all be forgotten. It still really irks me that S.T can be such an immature wussy! "I'm home sick. I don't like the spot light." :vomit-smi Give me a freeking break!!!

[Redskins8588]

Like I said before, this the NFL, not HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL, to win at this level you have to play the best players you have!!! You talk about a "TEAM" wouldnt you be hurting your team if you put incompentent players on the field while you bench the best player just to teach him a lesson? Sooner or later the players will turn on you!!!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Like I said before, this the NFL, not HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL, to win at this level you have to play the best players you have!!! You talk about a "TEAM" wouldnt you be hurting your team if you put incompentent players on the field while you bench the best player just to teach him a lesson? Sooner or later the players will turn on you!!!

Generally speaking, you do have to put the best players on the field. However, disciplinary measures (i.e. benching a player) are a necessary evil when a player "acts out." Gibbs benched Taylor for missing a practice in the game against the Packers even though he was certainly our best safety. I think it would be "high school football" to allow a player to miss mandatory practices/camps and not punish him by benching him for a game or two.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Generally speaking, you do have to put the best players on the field. However, disciplinary measures (i.e. benching a player) are a necessary evil when a player "acts out." Gibbs benched Taylor for missing a practice in the game against the Packers even though he was certainly our best safety. I think it would be "high school football" to allow a player to miss mandatory practices/camps and not punish him by benching him for a game or two.

You are right Gibbs did bench Taylor for the Green Bay game, but also wasnt that for his DUI along with missing a practice? Also is that not more important than Taylor missing voulentary workouts? Untill Taylor missed mandatory practices/camps you can not bench him.

I agree with your statment too, it would be "high shcool football" to allow a player miss mandatory events and still play him. And it would be "high school football" to bench a player for missing voulentary off-season workouts. But as of this season so far Taylor has yet to miss mandatory anything. When/if he does then yes take the approprate measures against him, but not until he does.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

BTW,

Chill out everyone lest the mods "bench" you for inappropriate behavior. Save it for the Cowgirls.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

BTW,

Chill out everyone lest the mods "bench" you for inappropriate behavior. Save it for the Cowgirls.

To any moderators out there, I hope my posts in this thread were not viewed as inappropriate. I promise I will never cross the line into making personal attacks at people. But I do like these forums as a place to express strong opinions, and debate them with people.

To PSU, if I pissed you off I'm sorry man. Didn't mean it that way. To be honest, I enjoyed the conversation with you even though I threw an f-bomb in there, I enjoy spirited discussions. If I seem to attack somebody's opinion out there, just know that I'm attacking the opinion, but I'm not attacking you. It's a subtle difference, I guess.

I won't get personal, I promise. But I do think conflict needs to exist on the boards as long as it's handled maturely. If everything was peaches and cream 100% of the time wouldn't it get boring around here?