Skins v Jets - Positives and Negatives

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.

Can RG3 punt? Let's use him like Sammy Baugh for just one game. QB, safety, and punter. Get some entertainment out of this crappy team in this crappy season.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Can RG3 punt? Let's use him like Sammy Baugh for just one game. QB, safety, and punter. Get some entertainment out of this crappy team in this crappy season.

I'm down for QB and safety lol, our punter, sadly is one of our best players. He should stay in.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.

At that point nearly any injury carries a 16million dollar cap hit. In my opinion he simply shouldn't see the field again for that reason alone

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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.

He is probably done here. It's over. I personally do not want to see him play because 1. He sucks. 2. He's fragile.

I'm hoping we get back some of our guys on offense the second half of the season. We've seen KC make a lot of big plays in the passing game. He just needs to do it. If he can't then I 'd rather see McCoy. Can't believe I'm saying I'd rather see McCoy over Griffin but it's true. Smh..

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Can't believe I'm saying I'd rather see McCoy over Griffin but it's true. Smh..

2012 Griffin, with his speed and in the Shanahan's system, was at a different level than Cousins or McCoy.

Post-2012 Griffin, slowed by injuries, trying to be a pocket passer, might be as good as Cousins, if you figure neither of them are good enough to be a decent starting QB in the NFL.

I think we had to make the move to Cousins. Our receivers were getting sick of LOS passes because Griffin couldn't get the ball downfield enough. So was Gruden.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

2012 Griffin, with his speed and in the Shanahan's system, was at a different level than Cousins or McCoy.

Post-2012 Griffin, slowed by injuries, trying to be a pocket passer, might be as good as Cousins, if you figure neither of them are good enough to be a decent starting QB in the NFL.

I think we had to make the move to Cousins. Our receivers were getting sick of LOS passes because Griffin couldn't get the ball downfield enough. So was Gruden.

He is much worse, remember when Griffin was in (Last year, this preseason) a lot of people in here were complaining about how bad
the O-line was at pass blocking? Put the other guys in and that line doesn't look so bad, even last Sunday with all the injuries. A QB that holds the ball too long, can't feel the pressure and isn't good at side
stepping makes an O-line look worse than it is.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Post-2012 Griffin, slowed by injuries, trying to be a pocket passer, might be as good as Cousins, if you figure neither of them are good enough to be a decent starting QB in the NFL...

I really don't want to get into another Griff/Kirk sink hole.

But I see it differently. Obviously 2012 was without exaggeration phenomenal. The 1st year post 2012 was 2013 and in that year Griffin was a better QB and pocket passer then Kirk.

People forget but Kirk was actually terrible in 2013 and whereas Griffin was merely perceived as terrible despite actually being average or just a touch below. I could post the stats but people should remember.

I think we had to make the move to Cousins. Our receivers were getting sick of LOS passes because Griffin couldn't get the ball downfield enough. So was Gruden.

I think J made the decision to move on from Griffin as soon as he was hired and it wasn't forced by anything other then his on volition. People say Kirk deserves more time and maybe he does, he's already received more time in J's system then Griffin. And I'll admit that right now the team lacks weapons but the 2012 had about the same or less talent then this team right now.

But if Kirk/J get more time and still don't produce then it would make sense to move to Griffin but everyone knows that J isn't about that life.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I really don't want to get into another Griff/Kirk sink hole.

too late

Originally Posted by 30gut

But I see it differently. Obviously 2012 was without exaggeration phenomenal. The 1st year post 2012 was 2013 and in that year Griffin was a better QB and pocket passer then Kirk.

People forget but Kirk was actually terrible in 2013 and whereas Griffin was merely perceived as terrible despite actually being average or just a touch below. I could post the stats but people should remember.

I think J made the decision to move on from Griffin as soon as he was hired and it wasn't forced by anything other then his on volition. People say Kirk deserves more time and maybe he does, he's already received more time in J's system then Griffin. And I'll admit that right now the team lacks weapons but the 2012 had about the same or less talent then this team right now.

But if Kirk/J get more time and still don't produce then it would make sense to move to Griffin but everyone knows that J isn't about that life.

Just using your logic, IF KC was worse in JG's system at first, and now is better and RG3 was better at first and now is worse, then why would it make any sense to put RG3 in at any point this season.

in other words if KC has been able to improve, and RG3 has shown regression, why would you change back to RG3?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.

Tricky question. Personally I can't see Griffin playing because J has said flat out that his intent is to start Cousins the whole season. It appears that Griffin isn't going to see the field regardless of how Cousins plays.

Now, I don't think its the right decision. I think Griffin deserves to play IF Kirk plays poorly and the team continues to lose. But then again I also think that J should be fired under those same circumstances (Kirk playing poorly and the team losing).

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Tricky question. Personally I can't see Griffin playing because J has said flat out that his intent is to start Cousins the whole season. It appears that Griffin isn't going to see the field regardless of how Cousins plays.

Now, I don't think its the right decision. I think Griffin deserves to play IF Kirk plays poorly and the team continues to lose. But then again I also think that J should be fired under those same circumstances (Kirk playing poorly and the team losing).

Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

And by now we're seeing just how competent Kirk is... Actually he is exactly what we thought he would be, a placeholder until Scot finds a permanent replacement. Certainly all of our staff knows this as well. Patience, yes even more patience is required. This is a better team than a year ago, and hopefully will really be competitive with some depth next year. Whether we have our QB by then is the question.

[Michaelt31]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

And by now we're seeing just how competent Kirk is... Actually he is exactly what we thought he would be, a placeholder until Scot finds a permanent replacement. Certainly all of our staff knows this as well. Patience, yes even more patience is required. This is a better team than a year ago, and hopefully will really be competitive with some depth next year. Whether we have our QB by then is the question.

Who thought Kirk was this bad, not Gruden, not the coaches, not the players if you listen to the media, not the media, not most fans on here. All we heard was Kirk gets the ball out faster and he makes the offense runs smoother. I heard no one say Kirk needs time when he got the job. The depth is better than 2012 by a mile. Now everyone wants Jay to adapt to Kirk and make things easier! To be fair run the west coast offense and make Kirk run ur offense. SM on the other hand he gave Jay better players but Jay plays who he wants and this is on him not SM, not Dan, not Bruce! So we just the Kirk the man guys to keep believing his the next John Elway!! Lol

[skinsfan69]

[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1126147]Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

And by now we're seeing just how competent Kirk is... Actually he is exactly what we thought he would be, a placeholder until Scot finds a permanent replacement. Certainly all of our staff knows this as well. Patience, yes even more patience is required. This is a better team than a year ago, and hopefully will really be competitive with some depth next year. Whether we have our QB by then is the question.[/QUOTE]

You could be right. Maybe KC is the kind of guy that is better as a back up. Meaning, he's perfect to come in and hold things down for a game or two. Or come off the bench if needed. Basically when he has no pressure on him to perform he may be better in that role. But we're still only 6 games in. I would like to see him get 16 games over playing McCoy.

[Chief X_Phackter]

There are some NFL coaches/execs that believe KC is nothing more and never will be anything more than a career backup; and then there are some that think he has the ability to be a franchise QB. We won't know which one it is unless he is given a chance...to fail or succeed.

Six games as the starter with a team fairly decimated with injuries does not = a chance. IMHO he needs the full season. Then if he is making "progress" - the full off season, and then into next season before he should be labeled as a career backup.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

Hmmmnn, thanks for the update on what me and my'all? lol need to stop talking about.

Its actually too bad because later you actually made some points worth discussing; even though I obviously disagree with them. But that opening...nah.

-Cheers!

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Hmmmnn, thanks for the update on what me and my'all? lol need to stop talking about.

Its actually too bad because later you actually made some points worth discussing; even though I obviously disagree with them. But that opening...nah.

-Cheers!

You've got to be kidding.

After the endless tedious and repetitive crap you've put the Warpath audience through for months now you have the nerve to be put off by a "y'all"? You're a joke. And a bad joke at that...