Post game

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

This is pretty much where I am as well. I had a bad feeling we'd lose to them and they certainly lived up to the disappointment. I mean what is with the Monday Night Games....did half the team get sh!tfaced the night before?? Why can't they ever win one of these?? I really think the best possible outcome we could hope for now is to somehow beat the Bears and Giants but still miss the playoffs, so everything ends with some hope for next season. I'd personally rather them not make the playoffs and get embarrassed again to end the season. Let them spend the offseason with these bitter losses to Arizona and Carolina and the stupid tie in London in their mouths that caused them to miss the playoffs, and maybe, just maybe they start the season off next year hungry!

There is definitely hope for the 2017 campaign, but from what I had seen last night, we are not a playoff team for 2016. It is almost better to tank to get a higher draft position.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

There is definitely hope for the 2017 campaign, but from what I had seen last night, we are not a playoff team for 2016. It is almost better to tank to get a higher draft position.

Bolded statement is true. The key words being "LAST NIGHT".
We can't say we are not a playoffs team based on one bad (awful/ugly/pathetic pick your poison) game.

Plenty of not so perfect teams make it to the playoffs every year.
If we make it there, then we are a playoffs team. If we make it to the playoffs two years in a row, we can be sure this franchise is heading in the right direction.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

Beat Chicago and everyone will be singing a different tune next week. Sometimes you just get your butt kicked. Carolina is having a down year but they were a bad matchup for us. We can't stop the run and Cam made enough plays down the field.

I think the quick memory loss is being cured, along with the rose colored vision. A victory over a mediocre Bears team isn't going to get people thinking playoffs. We are on a downward trajectory, as we have played really bad football 2 of the past 3 games. It is a stark contrast from last season. Last night was an embarrassment and exposed the reality of how far we have to go to really contend.

[rocnrik]

The Redskins Last night lose to the Browns! We are 100% not close to a playoff team and would be double digit underdogs in any playoff game ..ATLANTA would beat us by 24 points. By far the worst D in NFL and maybe the worst DB crew in history of Redskins..think about this unit without Norman ..and we draft Another WR with number 1 pick! and waste another on Matt Jones..looks like a bust with Smith and folks praise SM?? epic FAIL at draft..We have maybe 4 guys on The D that I would keep ..Norman,Kerrigan,Baker,Cravens..the rest are at best SO-SO. so i got idea..lets draft Another WR with our Number 1 pick..BRILLIANT!!!

[JoeRedskin]

On Reed -- Yes, he made a dumb penalty and you have to be aware of the circumstances.

In his defense, however, watch the entire replay. ... After the play is dead, the Carolina player is still going after Reed. Specifically, he is yanking and tugging on Reed's injured arm/shoulder and then, as Reed finally pulls away, the Carolina player lands a shot to Reed's head. A second later a Panthers player pulls his teammate away and, as he is doing so, Reed retaliates. Had another Skins' player pulled Reed back, no penalty ... but b/c he had kept his cool UNTIL the retaliation, no real need to do so.

Yes. You need to be smarter and realize it's the retaliation that always gets penalized. At the same time, it really looked to me like the Panthers' player was intentionally trying to aggravate Reed's already-painful injury and then topped it off with a cheap shot to Reed's head.

Not sure many of us would keep our cool in those circumstances.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

On Reed -- Yes, he made a dumb penalty and you have to be aware of the circumstances.

In his defense, however, watch the entire replay. ... After the play is dead, the Carolina player is still going after Reed. Specifically, he is yanking and tugging on Reed's injured arm/shoulder and then, as Reed finally pulls away, the Carolina player lands a shot to Reed's head. A second later a Panthers player pulls his teammate away and, as he is doing so, Reed retaliates. Had another Skins' player pulled Reed back, no penalty ... but b/c he had kept his cool UNTIL the retaliation, no real need to do so.

Yes. You need to be smarter and realize it's the retaliation that always gets penalized. At the same time, it really looked to me like the Panthers' player was intentionally trying to aggravate Reed's already-painful injury and then topped it off with a cheap shot to Reed's head.

Not sure many of us would keep our cool in those circumstances.

Reed's injured shoulder is the left one, the Carolina player was tugging on his right arm. And he was doing so to get free from Reed who kept holding him after the play was over. The shot to Reed's head is completely unintentional, he turns around quickly, again to free himself from Reed's hold.

That's entirely on Reed.
But I'm not mad at him, I feel like he shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. He was obviously playing through a tremendous amount of pain. Hats off to him for doing so and wanting to do so, but coaching and medical staff should have kept him out of the game.
You cannot play smart when under such pain.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Reed's injured shoulder is the left one, the Carolina player was tugging on his right arm. And he was doing so to get free from Reed who kept holding him after the play was over. The shot to Reed's head is completely unintentional, he turns around quickly, again to free himself from Reed's hold.

That's entirely on Reed.
But I'm not mad at him, I feel like he shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. He was obviously playing through a tremendous amount of pain. Hats off to him for doing so and wanting to do so, but coaching and medical staff should have kept him out of the game.
You cannot play smart when under such pain.

This...

[skinsfan69]

Reed should not be on the field. He can't block, he can barely catch, it's not a tough guy contest. He hurts the team when he is obviously injured to the point where he's useless. Shut him down before he hurts himself and the team even more. To me that is piss poor coaching.

And please SM, draft a complete TE that is durable.

[J. Falcon]

Keeping Reed on the field when he was injured was a coaching mistake. It reminded me of RG3 against Seattle in 2012 wildcard game. I was watching him limp around and asking myself how the hell do the coaches not pull him out? Well, keeping him in there was what led to the penalty and ejection.

[skinsfan69]

Not a fan of Barry but last night was obviously a lack of talent issue. Our guys on defense just aren't good enough.

No excuses for Kirk and co. They were dog shit last night.This is a good offense but a soft offense. When you can't run the ball at all what does that say? When all you can do is throw horizontal passes what does that say?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not a fan of Barry but last night was obviously a lack of talent issue. Our guys on defense just aren't good enough.

No excuses for Kirk and co. They were dog shit last night.This is a good offense but a soft offense. When you can't run the ball at all what does that say? When all you can do is throw horizontal passes what does that say?

Sean Mcvay is a bitch, soft ass coordinator. That's where Im at with him.

Build a bully? fuckin joke on both sides of the ball.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sean Mcvay is a bitch, soft ass coordinator. That's where Im at with him.

Build a bully? fuckin joke on both sides of the ball.

I just don't understand a 4 yard passes on 3rd and 7. It's such stupid harry high school shit. McVay? Idk... the runs he called were getting stuffed. There was literally not one hole for Kelly to run through. So not sure I can blame him for the lack of a run game last night. That was our oline basically getting overpowered.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't understand a 4 yard passes on 3rd and 7. It's such stupid harry high school shit. McVay? Idk... the runs he called were getting stuffed. There was literally not one hole for Kelly to run through. So not sure I can blame him for the lack of a run game last night. That was our oline basically getting overpowered.

No creativity by McVay. None.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sean Mcvay is a bitch, soft ass coordinator. That's where Im at with him.

Build a bully? fuckin joke on both sides of the ball.

That is exactly how I feel.
We can't do the basics well.
In fact we suck at them:
We can not stop the run AND we can not run the ball.
The middle of our defense is soft and terrible.
Our safeties, ILB's and 3/4 of our d-lineman are not good.
The missed tackles was high school shit.
How many more times will we see Trent Murphy or Preston Smith miss a tackle or fail to keep gap containment on a running play? Happens every game.
Matrell Spaight was step behind every play last night.

I am not seeing the reward of making the playoffs, when we are playing the way we are. We want to watch out team get humiliated again on National TV?
The truth us we lost to a bad Carolina team last night and we should have lost to a terrible Philly team last week. I know after the Philly game that we are not playing well right now.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is exactly how I feel.
We can't do the basics well.
In fact we suck at them:
We can not stop the run AND we can not run the ball.
The middle of our defense is soft and terrible.
Our safeties, ILB's and 3/4 of our d-lineman are not good.
The missed tackles was high school shit.
How many more times will we see Trent Murphy or Preston Smith miss a tackle or fail to keep gap containment on a running play? Happens every game.
Matrell Spaight was step behind every play last night.

I am not seeing the reward of making the playoffs, when we are playing the way we are. We want to watch out team get humiliated again on National TV?
The truth us we lost to a bad Carolina team last night and we should have lost to a terrible Philly team last week. I know after the Philly game that we are not playing well right now.

I almost posted today "Oh Matrell Spaight was god aweful" but decided not too. But he was pretty bad.

Right, Carolina is a bad team...their secondary isn't great and they haven't stop really anybody. BUT they played much tougher than we did on defense and the oline. It was total attitude and will over our effort.

I hate being out-physicaled...but we were in every facet. We got bullied and it was embarrassing.