Who's better, Clinton Portis or Tatum Bell?

[That Guy]

here's another stat:
portis is #9 in ypg.
bell can't even crack the top 25.

also, sometimes defenses have bad days... the falcons (#9 in run D in 2004) were good against the run, yet the chiefs still put up 8 rushing TDs on them in one game. It happens. Since bell had 330% of his his average ypg against us (sans run stopping corners), i'd say maybe we also had a bad day.

[MTK]

Sorry offiss, you got pwned, admit it and let's move on.

As for Portis with his 3.8 ypc, let's focus on THIS year and his 4.4 shall we?

I know people love to keep bringing up last year, but can't we finally move on? We're a 1/4 of the way through the 2005 season, last year is looking more and more irrelevant especially with the way Brunell has resurected himself.

[Luxorreb]

Portis is proven. Bell is a prospect. Especially with the obvious block in the back to Marcus Washington on one of the 2 TD runs.

[That Guy]

looked at the game yet again... the first bell run both daniels and holdman missed fairly routine tackles. the second one would have been much harder to stop. marshall had the best shot, but he couldn't get away from the blocker, and bowen just wasn't fast enough (or didnt break soon enough) to get the extra 2 feet he needed to stop that run.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry offiss, you got pwned, admit it and let's move on.

Ah, more geek speak. You're gonna be an honorary member in the geek patrol if you keep it up.

And yes, offiss has been pwn3d.

[irish]

Yards per carry and 100 yard games are great but what counts in this league is points and right now CP is having a tough time scoring them. He needs to find a way to score TDs.

[firstdown]

With this topic you have to remember we were missing our two starting corners. We played different schemes to help protect our young corners which made use more acceptable to the long runs. If Springs and Harris were in the for the entire game we would have shut Bell down and forced them to pass more.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know Taf that you believe if you throw a link up there you have done something special, but really don't be so lazy next time and dig the rest up as well please don't paraphrase threads to suit your needs, you know full well that these threads go back and forth from one extreme to another, and a lot of what's said is made in conjuncture of what someone else has said, you know darn well we have had topics on both regarding both Ramsey and Brunell and why they haven't succeeded and who's fault it is, so to say Brunell is washed up was an after thought for myself, I was never a big fan of him in his prime, what I find funny is how many here were saying he's washed up after his performance last season, where are they? There disguised as lifelong Brunell fans. Did you jump on any band wagons when Gibbs made the switch Taf?

Who's paraphrasing threads to suit their needs? All I did was copy and paste what you wrote. And yes, last season I thought maybe, just maybe, Brunell actually had nothing left in the tank. But then the more I thought about it. I thought all the fault for last season can't be placed on him. And I expressed that in the spring time. Even then though, I thought Ramsey should be the starter with Brunell a capable backup. By mid-preseason though Matty and I went (along with some other warpathers) to get the Brunell Bandwagon rolling because Ramsey wasn't looking so hot, and Brunell was on point. So if anything, Gibbs jumped on my bandwagon! That bastard!

Originally Posted by offiss

Gibran Hamden is your big time example? Your really digging deep aren't you, you might want to take a time out and rationalize what you read, perhaps there was nothing going on the warpath at the time considering NFL europe was playing, and I made a funny gesture at the end of the thread laughing trying to get something going in a slow month, but in a court of law you got me.

Well it was a thread you started

Originally Posted by offiss

Ohalate-Bowen? Kind of a very small misque for you Taf, don't you think? I know you can do much better than that.

I thought Marty would be our coach for at least three years and get us at least to the NFC championship game. I thought Trung would have Marshall Faulk like numbers here. Better?

Originally Posted by offiss

What will they say after we beat Denver? Let's not put the cart before the horse here, I think we will come out of this game with much more media respect win or lose, I feel we will give them a good game and in doing so we will start to gain respect, but I don't see us winning this one, it's not by any means impossible, but it will be a tough one to come away with a W in mile high.

Your more than welcome to critique this pre-game prediction as well. Feel free to let me know if I was right.

I have no problem admitting your right once in a while, like your stance on Lavar and how he can't get on the field because he's highly overated, see how easy it is.

Like I said, you've been right before and you'll be right again. And you'll be wrong again.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

I've seen some pretty absurd threads on this site, but this one is really up there.
If we are really comparing the two (even though there really isn't a comparison), shouldn't we also take into account the durability of the two backs? Tatum Bell spent a significant portion of last year missing games for a variety of injuries.
Additionally, shouldn't we also consider that Portis won the Denver starting RB job a few games into his rookie season, while Bell has been with the team for 21 games and is still yet to start a game.
I just can't even imagine seriously comparing these two guys at this point. Bell's career (over 1.25 seasons) has yielded 677 yards total. Congratulations to Bell for amassing 45% of what Portis had in his rookie year alone.
Next we can turn to receiving. For his illustrious career, Bell has amassed 8 catches for 104 yards. Portis, in his Rookie year alone, had 33 catches for 364 yards.
Factor in the fact that Portis is a better blocker and team leader, and I can't even imagine where the argument could be that Bell is somehow better than Portis.
Bell had a better game than Portis? So what? Bell wasn't playing on the road against Denver's defense and Portis wasn't playing at home against our defense. I hate to say it, but those two big runs were the result of our Defense simply breaking down. Do you really think in the same situation Portis wouldn't have done as well?
It's just a rediculous argument.

[jacobyfan]

Did the original title of this thread get changed?

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by jacobyfan

Did the original title of this thread get changed?

lol, don't they all?

[MTK]

Looks like it was changed to something a little more descriptive than "who's better".

We rarely change the titles unless it's a merged thread... cpayne do you see a lot of this or were you joking?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

so tafkas is lazy for looking up posts, yet you bring up none to prove that you were misquoted, and you also say that you play both sides, so you can't be wrong... then you go point by point to minimize the quotes that you yourself posted.. oh yeah, i forgot, offis is always right, even when he's not and even when he says he's not.

and again, in that one game portis was hurt and had his longest run called back, so i don't think that final stat line is accurate. you bring up the 3.8ypc, yet fail to mention the awful oline and the fact that his average is much higher this year (4.4) and we've faced generally better defenses. So for all the i told you so's and i'm rights you've been trying to cram down our throats, you're recounting of facts seems a bit convenient.

O-line???? What on earth has been my contention all along??????????

Are you saying the line blocking has everything to do with a backs success, because your going to get some opposition on that one, I know I have.

The fact is I can't go back far enough to pull up things that were said unlike Taf, for whatever reason I can only go back to recent posts.

I wasen't misquoted nor did I say that, what I said was I was paraphrased which means it was taken out of context.

For example if I made a point about Gibbs not running a modern day offense and the main cause for our inability to move the ball, but many said it's not Gibbs it's the fact that Gibbs wasted to much time on Ramsey, and Brunell needs to catch up, then I had presented Brunells starting numbers and the amount of time he has had to catch up comparitvly to Ramsey, A lot of what was said in almost all the posts I have made were a back and forth fight over Brunell VS Ramsey, where Gibbs was thrown out of the controversy and the focus was strickly on the 2 QB's, considering someone [whomever] wanted to make it about Brunell, I said last season as well as all off season, I don't like Brunell regardless, but he was made to look far worse than he really is by the inaffectivness of Gibbs game planning. As if there can only have been 1 problem with our offense not 2, as in a Gibbs and Brunell problem, which it was, even when there were players open he couldn't get the ball downfield he couldn't hit a reciever 5 yards over the line last year, and all we heard was Gibbs pass patterns are simplistic and easy to cover, but we all know for as heated as that debate became that it was constantly pushed to a Brunell against Ramsey debate, or a Gibbs debate so to comment on what was wrong with either one in seperate posts and then try to jumble them together without putting up the context of the rest of the post as well as other threads isn't fair at all.


It's funny how Portis gets cut slack for being hurt, but that was one of the first excuses I heard about Bell not being a good back last season because he can't stay on the field because of injury.

Take a good look at your post, you are contradicting yourself in disagreing with me, your contention is Portis didn't run well because of his line, my contention all along is Portis has to have major blocking to be effective, I said it before we traded for him, when you give a back that kind of blocking you don't need a superstar at RB. Which brings us right back to square 1, he's not LT, he's not Deuce MC, he's not Corey Dillion, he's not Curtis Martin, or Tiki Barber, or Westbrook, or Sean Alexander, Edgerin James, what kind of line does Tampa have? Yet we have a rookie in Williams setting records, I could continue on with comparisons, but does anyone think Portis is better than the players I just mentioned?

I find it ironic how time and again I hear how circumstances dictate why Portis didn't have a Portis year last year, line etc. Yet circumstances didn't dictate why he succeeded in Denver? As Al Wilson said it's the system not the back.

Will Portis become the runner for us that he was in Denver? My answer is yes, as soon as we give him holes the size he saw in Denver, other wise he will be a good back for us, GOOD, but it cost us a whole lot for a good back, we paid for a great back, GREAT.

Probably the best example I can give you is Tiki vs Portis, Tiki had no offensive line last season, no WR's, and a rookie QB for most of the season, as much as I don't like the Giants, you can't dispute that Barbers situation was worse than ours, and he had a great season, sorry I wish Portis was a great back I really do, I don't hate the guy in fact I like him he's got a good personality but production is another issue all together.

[56FAN]

:thumb: PORTIS,sorry i shouted

[joethiesmanfan]

Portis isn't productive???????