Same Ol' Story

[MTK]

Offiss, this is what you said earlier in this thread.

Same old same old out of Brunell, 2 more fumbles today, which does happen, in fact it happens every game with him

This simply is not true, and this is the statement we were responding to. He has 3 fumbles in 5 games on the year. 2 today, 1 last week. 3 does not = 5.

Ok, let's look at the argument you changed it to, his TO ratio over the last 2 seasons.

Going back to last year he has 8 total INTs and he's lost 6 fumbles, or 14 total turnovers in a total of 14 games. Fair enough, there's your average of 1.0 per game, but again that wasn't what you said initially.

And frankly last year is looking more and more like a pure fluke, especially considering the drastic turnaround this year. When can we finally forget about last year and focus on this year??

For the sake of the argument let's look at Ramsey's last two seasons, he has 12 INTs in 8 starts and 2 lost fumbles for a total of 14 turnovers in 8 starts, or 1.75 turnovers per start.

Comparing careers Brunell has 120 turnovers in 135 games played, or .888 turnovers per game.

Ramsey has 40 turnovers in 30 games, or 1.33 per game.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Offiss, this is what you said earlier in this thread.



This simply is not true, and this is the statement we were responding to. He has 3 fumbles in 5 games on the year. 2 today, 1 last week. 3 does not = 5.

Ok, let's look at the argument you changed it to, his TO ratio over the last 2 seasons.

Going back to last year he has 8 total INTs and he's lost 6 fumbles, or 14 total turnovers in a total of 14 games. Fair enough, there's your average of 1.0 per game, but again that wasn't what you said initially.

And frankly last year is looking more and more like a pure fluke, especially considering the drastic turnaround this year. When can we finally forget about last year and focus on this year??

For the sake of the argument let's look at Ramsey's last two seasons, he has 12 INTs in 8 starts and 2 lost fumbles for a total of 14 turnovers in 8 starts, or 1.75 turnovers per start.

Comparing careers Brunell has 120 turnovers in 135 games played, or .888 turnovers per game.

Ramsey has 40 turnovers in 30 games, or 1.33 per game.

Do I really have to spell every little thing out for you, what do think same old means??????

It means another game another costly TO! Period!

Who's talking about Ramsey? This is about Brunell, and your going to forget about last year than do so, don't start comparing Ramsey with Brunell that in itself from your posts about Brunell doesn't say much about Brunell by comparison.

We can forget all the nonesense and ticky tack comparisons, and all the numbers, the bottom line is the past 2 games could have been won by Brunell, easily, and irregardless he lost both of them, with no help from Portis. that's the bottom line.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Do I really have to spell every little thing out for you, what do think same old means??????

It means another game another costly TO! Period!

Who's talking about Ramsey? This is about Brunell, and your going to forget about last year than do so, don't start comparing Ramsey with Brunell that in itself from your posts about Brunell doesn't say much about Brunell by comparison.

We can forget all the nonesense and ticky tack comparisons, and all the numbers, the bottom line is the past 2 games could have been won by Brunell, easily, and irregardless he lost both of them, with no help from Portis. that's the bottom line.

Sorry, let me check my offiss to english translator next time.

'Same old' means '2 years'... gotcha. My bad, not sure what I was thinking.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Do I really have to spell every little thing out for you, what do think same old means??????

It means another game another costly TO! Period!

Who's talking about Ramsey? This is about Brunell, and your going to forget about last year than do so, don't start comparing Ramsey with Brunell that in itself from your posts about Brunell doesn't say much about Brunell by comparison.

We can forget all the nonesense and ticky tack comparisons, and all the numbers, the bottom line is the past 2 games could have been won by Brunell, easily, and irregardless he lost both of them, with no help from Portis. that's the bottom line.

I'm sorry, but that is a bunch of BS! Are you completely ignoring the fact that the defense allowed Priest Holmes to catch a screen pass and run to the opposite side of the field AND run all the way for TD? How is that Brunell's fault? One of Brunell's fumbles, the first one, was not his fault. Furthermore, he fumbled deep in KC's territory. And the defense couldn't stop KC from going down field and scoring a field goal. The fact of the matter is, you can't see the forest from the trees, and the easiest thing for you to do is to blame Brunell knowing good and well it wasn't his fault.

[skinsguy]

Matty, what's the ol' saying, misery loves company?

[MTK]

So Offiss what are you saying, are you in favor of starting Ramsey over Brunell??

Or are you just hating on Brunell for the sake of hating?

[scowan]

Guys I hate to say this but Rock's fumble cost us the game, while Brunell's fumble just cost us points. The Skins need to convert more often in the Red Zone and they will be OK. But forget Brunell for a minute, and let's face facts, on Defense we have what 1 INT on the season and 1 fumble recovery? Am I right? The Skins need to shorten the field for the offense.

[MTK]

The Rock fumble was definitely a huge swing. Perhaps we get at least 3 outta that drive, it definitely changed the entire course of the game. It was a 10 point swing at the least, perhaps 14.

[SmootSmack]

If not for Brunell, we probably wouldn't have been in position to take the game down to the wire anyway. 5 TDs in two games, not bad.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If not for Brunell, we probably wouldn't have been in position to take the game down to the wire anyway. 5 TDs in two games, not bad.

Yeah but what about last year...

oh never mind.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

it's amazing that some people hated Brunnel so much for his play last year that they can't realize this season has absolutely nothing to do with last year. That's why stats stop at the end of the season, cuz each year u r supposed to get a fresh new start. Brunnel definitely needs to learn to keep the ball tucked away when scrambling but his accuracy, his composure, and his feet have kept our team alive this year and as much as some fans love or atleast respect Ramsey, he's never shown the ability to do those things much less all of them. If the running game would help Brunnel out, I don't think there'd be anyone except for fans of other teams coming on here and bashing the team. We're all here to root on the same team, but it's starting to sound like some people want certain players to fail. This is Brunnel's team right now whether we all like it or not so can we please move onto another subject, as long as it isn't the arrington debacle,lol.

[jbcjr14]

Samuels may have had his worst game as a pro today...and when they moved the skinny white guy over on Jansens side, he got beat as well...offensive line was pourous at best and Rock....oh my Rock, wonder if he will apologoize in his web blog or something because that was definately a game breaker.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Also, how is Gibbs going to step up? Saying AGAIN to PLEASE STOP MAKING STUPID MISTAKES?! The playcalling has been money this year. It's all been a problem of execution in the red zone.

[Kope]

It is most definatly NOT the same ol story. Would you rather have any of the Skins teams of the last 12 years over this one to root for? I sure as hell wouldn't. This is the first real football team we have had since 92. I love seeing a team go into Arrowhead and not jump offsides once. We are getting there...bit by bit.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Kope

It is most definatly NOT the same ol story. Would you rather have any of the Skins teams of the last 12 years over this one to root for? I sure as hell wouldn't. This is the first real football team we have had since 92. I love seeing a team go into Arrowhead and not jump offsides once. We are getting there...bit by bit.

The first three games were difinitely not the teams from old finding ways to win. The last two games our O looked great but we are now finding ways to lose again. I feel we need to stop that trend and start finding ways to win.