Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call?

[skinsguy]

Biggest reason is turnovers. If we don't turn the ball over, we win the games we've lost this year (with the exception of NY Giants,) and we win those close games we've won this year, by more than 3 points.

[EternalEnigma21]

yeah you're right. Turnovers are killing us.. I'm not sure that either of those picks were brunell's fault though, he's thrown the same passes several times on those quick hits, and yeah Tampa was waiting for it, but both times they got some lucky ass breaks with the balls hitting them in the chest.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

yeah you're right. Turnovers are killing us.. I'm not sure that either of those picks were brunell's fault though, he's thrown the same passes several times on those quick hits, and yeah Tampa was waiting for it, but both times they got some lucky ass breaks with the balls hitting them in the chest.

Yeah, those two INTs came off of deflicted passes. Those guys just were in the right place at the right time. Sometimes, luck is a part of being good. I do think we're a good team, we just haven't had enough of the good luck to come our way.

[SUNRA]

Absolutely not. Frost punted a horrible ball when we really needed a long deep one in the Bucs side of the field. I believe they started on their 40yd line. That's the first mistake made by a player. The next of of course was on 3rd and 4 which no one mentioned. Walt Harris's dumb ass was off side which gave the Bucs a first down. You see Gibbs did his part. He coached them up after half time and the defense was playing decently for a while in the 3rd quarter. Then in the 4th, that's when all hell broke loose. Walt Harris, Carlos Rodgers and Pearson Priouleau were not on the same page. They did not bump Galloway at all at any time on any play that he caught 131yds of receptions on. That was the mistake of the players not Gibbs.

[Gmanc711]

Hey Guys, was able to get to a comp real quick, I'll have a full thread on my experiance in Tampa, which was incredible, loss aside ,when I go home Wen.

But just to chime in here quick. I thought we should have ran a boot, because it worked the ENTIRE game. I defintley understand why we ran it, but no so much why up the middle when we had so much success there the entire game. I just felt like we were kinda playing more conservative and not going with what had to that point won us the football game. I think we should have passed or ran to the outside, but whats done is done. I dont think it was stupid to run the ball because it kills clock, but it just NEVER seems to work when we go up the middle, ever. I'll talk to you boys in a couple days.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Hey Guys, was able to get to a comp real quick, I'll have a full thread on my experiance in Tampa, which was incredible, loss aside ,when I go home Wen.

yeah i heard you were in a VERY good position to see the action on the field

[firstdown]

Wrong call, every team knows Gibbs is going to run the ball in that situation. He has had very little success running on third and short when we have the lead late in the game. If we looked up the stat for three and outs late in a game I think we would find they are very high. Back when we had the Hogs and the could run at will it was the right call. D lineman have become bigger and quicker making that play alot tougher. I'm not saying always pass in that situation but mix it up some so th D's are not sure what we are going to do.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wrong call, every team knows Gibbs is going to run the ball in that situation. He has had very little success running on third and short when we have the lead late in the game. If we looked up the stat for three and outs late in a game I think we would find they are very high. Back when we had the Hogs and the could run at will it was the right call. D lineman have become bigger and quicker making that play alot tougher. I'm not saying always pass in that situation but mix it up some so th D's are not sure what we are going to do.

I dont know if it was the wrong call, my opinion is it wasn't. However, one part we all may agree on is maybe the wrong guy running the ball. If you need to grind out a measly 2 yards, put somebody in there that is going to fall forward for 2 yards after getting hit. Betts, Sellers, maybe even rock or broughton. Portis just needs a little more of a hole to make yards than those guys. those guys can plow forward and push the pile a few yards.

[Redskins_P]

We were having so much success running the ball throughout the entire game, so in my mind it was the logical thing to do.

If we would've passed and not made it....probably half of the people here would've been calling for Gibbs head.

Its all hindsight....

[FirstandTen]

Take a look at what happened to PHilly last night when they passed in the same situation.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Take a look at what happened to PHilly last night when they passed in the same situation.

Thank you!!!

[skins052bgr8]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Take a look at what happened to PHilly last night when they passed in the same situation.

What does the Philly game have to do with our game, you have to play the game we could have fumbled on the run, we could have had the pass intercepted if we passed. Look at the two point conversion in our game is that the norm, but doing something risky can also win you the game so look at the Tampa game. If I have learned anything when you start doing things different than you have done the whole game like we were mixing it up high percentage passes, some stretch plays, hitting the middle, spreading the ball around you lose. Then we go three straight plays nose dive into the guard and tackle when we had been converting first downs all game with what we were doing. Similar to the way some defenses do it and we did for many years in the past shut teams down and then go to a prevent defense and we would lose. To say three straight runs was the answer you are wrong we needed a first down, call plays to do that not run additional 25 seconds off the clock. As we have seen it was two minutes plus on the clock all the Bucs needed and many NFL teams is about in this case 58 seconds. All we did was give them time to drive the field twice on us so thank heavens we saved the 25 seconds. You can accomplish all the above if you can keep a defense on it's toes which we have not in this exact same situation in numerous games. Luckily the Eagles could not get in last week ina very similar situation with us. Luckily the Seahawks missed the field goal, we put the ball back in the Cowboys hands, we put the ball back in Tampas hands. If you look back at those stalled drives you will see very simialr play calling I call that predictable in that situation.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by skins052bgr8

What does the Philly game have to do with our game, you have to play the game we could have fumbled on the run, we could have had the pass intercepted if we passed. Look at the two point conversion in our game is that the norm, but doing something risky can also win you the game so look at the Tampa game. If I have learned anything when you start doing things different than you have done the whole game like we were mixing it up high percentage passes, some stretch plays, hitting the middle, spreading the ball around you lose. Then we go three straight plays nose dive into the guard and tackle when we had been converting first downs all game with what we were doing. Similar to the way some defenses do it and we did for many years in the past shut teams down and then go to a prevent defense and we would lose. To say three straight runs was the answer you are wrong we needed a first down, call plays to do that not run additional 25 seconds off the clock. As we have seen it was two minutes plus on the clock all the Bucs needed and many NFL teams is about in this case 58 seconds. All we did was give them time to drive the field twice on us so thank heavens we saved the 25 seconds. You can accomplish all the above if you can keep a defense on it's toes which we have not in this exact same situation in numerous games. Luckily the Eagles could not get in last week ina very similar situation with us. Luckily the Seahawks missed the field goal, we put the ball back in the Cowboys hands, we put the ball back in Tampas hands. If you look back at those stalled drives you will see very simialr play calling I call that predictable in that situation.

I have the feeling that if we would have attempted a pass and had it intersepted, or a sack and fumble or incomplete people would be bitching about not running the ball and taking more time off the clock. Joe knows what the hell he's doing, see the 3 trophies in the showcase at redskin park. If we get the first down on the run everyone would be saying what a call, the defense was looking for the pass and we ran. So I think its damn if you do and damn if you dont. Joe has won almost more than any coach in the NFL by calling games the same way he did last Sunday. the fact is, the O line could not get the tough yards at the end of the game, which good O lines and teams do. The Hogs use to tell people they were coming right at them, and dare you to stop them. This team does not have that mentality or confidence, YET!! When we do, we will be running the ball down peoples throat at the end of games. Our defense should have played a little more conservative and not given up the big play. If anyone is at fault, fault Greg Williams for calling the same defensive plays that we were getting burned on all day long.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by skins052bgr8

What does the Philly game have to do with our game, you have to play the game we could have fumbled on the run, we could have had the pass intercepted if we passed. Look at the two point conversion in our game is that the norm, but doing something risky can also win you the game so look at the Tampa game. If I have learned anything when you start doing things different than you have done the whole game like we were mixing it up high percentage passes, some stretch plays, hitting the middle, spreading the ball around you lose. Then we go three straight plays nose dive into the guard and tackle when we had been converting first downs all game with what we were doing. Similar to the way some defenses do it and we did for many years in the past shut teams down and then go to a prevent defense and we would lose. To say three straight runs was the answer you are wrong we needed a first down, call plays to do that not run additional 25 seconds off the clock. As we have seen it was two minutes plus on the clock all the Bucs needed and many NFL teams is about in this case 58 seconds. All we did was give them time to drive the field twice on us so thank heavens we saved the 25 seconds. You can accomplish all the above if you can keep a defense on it's toes which we have not in this exact same situation in numerous games. Luckily the Eagles could not get in last week ina very similar situation with us. Luckily the Seahawks missed the field goal, we put the ball back in the Cowboys hands, we put the ball back in Tampas hands. If you look back at those stalled drives you will see very simialr play calling I call that predictable in that situation.

Its predictable because its the right call. Eat as much time off the clock try to get a 1st down. If not punt and force the team to go the length of the field with little time on the clock. Its not like weren't able to run on them all game.

[onsidekick]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Its predictable because its the right call. Eat as much time off the clock try to get a 1st down. If not punt and force the team to go the length of the field with little time on the clock. Its not like weren't able to run on them all game.

Sunday was our best rushing performance of the season. We dominated the line of scrimmage when we ran but really ONLY when we ran. Our pass blocking was admittedly suspect and helped in causing a turnover earlier in the game. The fact that we didn't get the most important 1st down sucks but our run blocking and Portis earned the coaches' trust all game.