Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

LOL good stuff, but hey let's demonize the guy in the middle over a bj.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Funny part is that in these cases the congress who controls spending was controled by dems. Not so much in the Bush Jr and our surplus years it was controled by what many say was the most conservative run rep. congress. So great find.

[dmek25]

first, top dog always gets the credit/ heat no matter how deserving he was. i just think president Clinton was alot better politician then the G.O.P would ever give him credit for

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny part is that in these cases the congress who controls spending was controled by dems. Not so much in the Bush Jr and our surplus years it was controled by what many say was the most conservative run rep. congress. So great find.

But with Reagan and both Bushes, they had veto power. George W. never saw a spending bill he didn't like.

Make no mistake, the notion that Republicans are fiscally conservative is one of the biggest myths out there.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Make no mistake, the notion that Republicans are fiscally conservative is one of the biggest myths out there.

And it's what's killing the party.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dmek25

first, top dog always gets the credit/ heat no matter how deserving he was. i just think president Clinton was alot better politician then the G.O.P would ever give him credit for

Yep, just like a head coach in football.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But with Reagan and both Bushes, they had veto power. George W. never saw a spending bill he didn't like.

Make no mistake, the notion that Republicans are fiscally conservative is one of the biggest myths out there.

First off McCain, Bush 1 & 2 are rep. and not conservatives. Bush should have used his veto power more but to curb spending we also have to have congress to stop attaching other stuff to bills driving up spending.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

first, top dog always gets the credit/ heat no matter how deserving he was. i just think president Clinton was alot better politician then the G.O.P would ever give him credit for

I think the GOP knew he was a great politician but not a great president. He gets credit for what he did but I'm also happy we had a rep. congress to ofset his far left views.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

First off McCain, Bush 1 & 2 are rep. and not conservatives. Bush should have used his veto power more but to curb spending we also have to have congress to stop attaching other stuff to bills driving up spending.

Line-Item Veto baby!

Seriously though, it's a good point that people tend to forget. The fact that bills are almost never only about what the title implies.

Honestly, it's like y'all never saw the classic Simpsons' episode "Mr. Spritz Goes to Washington"

"Janitor, to Homer: "That southern congressman is your biggest obstacle. You have to drink him under the table so he misses the vote tomorrow."
To Lisa: "Now your job is to attach Krusty's bill to a more popular bill, one that can't fail."
Rep.: "The House will now consider the Flags for Orphans bill."
After passage, Krusty: "The system worked. I have become enchanted and illusioned with Washington."

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Line-Item Veto baby!

Seriously though, it's a good point that people tend to forget. The fact that bills are almost never only about what the title implies.

Honestly, it's like y'all never saw the classic Simpsons' episode "Mr. Spritz Goes to Washington"

"Janitor, to Homer: "That southern congressman is your biggest obstacle. You have to drink him under the table so he misses the vote tomorrow."
To Lisa: "Now your job is to attach Krusty's bill to a more popular bill, one that can't fail."
Rep.: "The House will now consider the Flags for Orphans bill."
After passage, Krusty: "The system worked. I have become enchanted and illusioned with Washington."

If I'm correct line item veto passed but was challanged in court and it was ruled unconstitutional. I think because it was changing the original bill which was voted on and the president would be over reaching their power.

[70Chip]

The problem with defecits is with us and not the politicians. We all hate pork in theory, but when it benefits us, our family, our friends, or our neighbors, we call it good government.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

The problem with defecits is with us and not the politicians. We all hate pork in theory, but when it benefits us, our family, our friends, or our neighbors, we call it good government.

All I know is that some of the worst times of my life occurred when we had a deficit. Living in America really sucked until that $200 billion surplus. Now it sucks again. The ruination that is my life can only be attributed to the evil deficit. Stupid fiscals! I hope Obama can give us a good surplus so my life will be better.

[saden1]

Back on topic...Sarah "The Robot" Palin did her first national interview today...she done did good if cluelessness is the objective.

CAUTION: THIS VIDEO IS PAINFUL TO WATCH. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Saden:

I do not think it was fair to ask Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?" The "Bush Doctrine" has never been clearly defined; it encompasses several different ideas. I spent less than 5 minutes googling the "Bush Doctrine" and, according to a few articles in well known sources (e.g., the WaPo), the "Bush Doctrine" has been used to refer to the notion that: (1) terrorists must be defeated; (2) our nation has the right to wage preventative wars; (3) allowing terrorists to reside in your country is the same as supporting terrorism; (4) it is okay to use force unilaterally and in the face of opposition by international organizations such as the UN; and (5) it is okay to use force against any state that is trying to acquire nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

It was a vague and dumb question that can't be answered with asking a question like, "Could you tell me what you mean by the 'Bush Doctrine?'" To me, it sounds like a question that is clearly designed to make Palin look dumb because there isn't a real answer to it.

[DynamiteRave]

Is anyone watching the forum tonight?