The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Macro

Well, wait to April for what? To make the Redskins itch and finally cave and rescind the Tag? Or wait until April to come in and sign the Tag?

I believe that ultimately any ploy Cousins tries in not signing the tag actually negatively affects him and his market. I've argued that the only thing that act ensures is that the teams who want him, but see nothing but uncertainty, are going to get antsy themselves and start making decisions both in FA and the draft without knowing what his deal is, or when he might even be available.

He would only be hurting his earnings power as teams across the league, who would have otherwise offered him a contract, just allocate that money elsewhere.


So, not only would Cousins be holding hostage the Skins cap but he'd also be impacting his "new team's" cap by making them sit out FA in any real sense.
Those free agent opportunities also pass Elway and the Broncos bye as well, though. Assuming that's his team.

That's the thing for me, not only would the Redskins have to keep the cap space neccessaory for the tag and trade, but so too would Denver have to keep their cap space in order to sign Cousins were the Tag to be rescinded.


Folks have argued that Cousins would not agree to any tag and trade scenario because it would impact his new team by making them spend a draft pick, but Cousins not signing the tag makes his new team wait out FA too, makes them not spend money in FA to improve their team.

So, seems pretty defeating to me if one argues that any team trading for Cousins' contractual rights would be totally adverse to Cousins himself, while he'd willing enact a pact with Elway where they just wait out FA to see if the Skins break and rescind the Tag.

This is an excellent point.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is an excellent point.

Which as I have said before a team like Denver doesn't want to wait and see with KC, they WANT him now

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Which as I have said before a team like Denver doesn't want to wait and see with KC, they WANT him now

That is the key assumption in all of this. It is very much within the realm of possibility that Denver, or other teams, could decide that they like Cousins but don't love him, so to speak.

Meaning that if Washington wants to force a 3rd rounder and a player as compensation, the Broncos could very well say nah you know what, we're good. We'll pursue another player as a bridge and draft somebody to groom.

In this thought exercise we're assuming there's a major market for Cousins. We'll find out just how major.

I'd argue myself that he's not worth $27M per season, let alone worth $27M plus a trade package. We'll see.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is an excellent point.

not really, because signing KC basically eats up Denver's cap space anyways. So they won't be players. The Broncos according to Overthecap have about 27M in cap space. If they are intent on signing KC, they aren't 1st week players in FA anyways.

[MTK]

I guess it’s hard to see a 3rd rounder being a big deal in getting the guy you want, and dumping Talib only helps their cap.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That is the key assumption in all of this. It is very much within the realm of possibility that Denver, or other teams, could decide that they like Cousins but don't love him, so to speak.

Meaning that if Washington wants to force a 3rd rounder and a player as compensation, the Broncos could very well say nah you know what, we're good. We'll pursue another player as a bridge and draft somebody to groom.

In this thought exercise we're assuming there's a major market for Cousins. We'll find out just how major.

I'd argue myself that he's not worth $27M per season, let alone worth $27M plus a trade package. We'll see.

I have said that too, 23M? Maybe but I still think the offer last yr which was reported to be 20+ a year was a great offer. In the end I dont see a trade happening but I don't blame the team for trying to get a good pick for kirk

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

not really, because signing KC basically eats up Denver's cap space anyways. So they won't be players. The Broncos according to Overthecap have about 27M in cap space. If they are intent on signing KC, they aren't 1st week players in FA anyways.

They have been rumored to be cutting big $ guys like Talib coming up and probably others like Thomas if they need too.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That is the key assumption in all of this. It is very much within the realm of possibility that Denver, or other teams, could decide that they like Cousins but don't love him, so to speak.

Meaning that if Washington wants to force a 3rd rounder and a player as compensation, the Broncos could very well say nah you know what, we're good. We'll pursue another player as a bridge and draft somebody to groom.

In this thought exercise we're assuming there's a major market for Cousins. We'll find out just how major.

I'd argue myself that he's not worth $27M per season, let alone worth $27M plus a trade package. We'll see.

Exactly, it's hard to see Denver specifically trading for KC with the possibility of Foles, the 3 Vikings qbs, and the draft. I think it's MUCH more likely that Denver trades for Nick Foles (for example) and gives up their 2nd round pick. Philly gains cap space. Denver can sign Foles to an Alex Smith type deal, taking this years cap hit at around 10M, and still cut Talib, leaving them with a +25M cap space.

The only team with enough cap space to make the sign and trade remotely plausible is the Jets. (Cleveland too, but KC is not signing up for Cleveland)

[skinsfaninok]

The Eagles current payroll for both QB's is less than 15M a season lol that is unreal

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The Eagles current payroll for both QB's is less than 15M a season lol that is unreal

And they are 10M over the cap. That is either great management or going to blow up in their face. Since I hate them, I have to assume it will not blow up in their face

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

And they are 10M over the cap. That is either great management or going to blow up in their face. Since I hate them, I have to assume it will not blow up in their face

I heard that they have almost every impact player coming back besides Graham who will prob demand a high pay day after this season.

[skinsfan69]

How could the Redskins sign free agents and resign their own free agents w/ both Cousins and Smith on the roster? No way that is happening. If the Redskins keep Cousins and Smith then they're just being assholes. Then it becomes very personal. No way they do that. Not even the Redskins would go that far...

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by MTK

Assuming all sides get on board what Macro is saying makes sense. Should be interesting to see what happens.

Even assuming our front office could pull this off with other teams, you don't think that the NFLPA, Goodell, and Mara & Co. would veto our gaming the system this way? (and maybe penalize us again?)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Even assuming our front office could pull this off with other teams, you don't think that the NFLPA, Goodell, and Mara & Co. would veto our gaming the system this way? (and maybe penalize us again?)

How is it gaming the system especially now there’s a legal tampering period? I don’t know what they could do really

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by MTK

How is it gaming the system especially now there’s a legal tampering period? I don’t know what they could do really

Couldn't the NFLPA protest, and Goodell and Co. act, on the basis that they were limiting a player's (Cousins) potential earnings, as well as going way beyond tampering to collusion with other teams?