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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MTK

lol can't compare Namath to QBs of today, he played when the passing game was in the dinosaur age.

Exactly. Throwing for 4,000 + yards in the 60's was a serious accomplishment.

[punch it in]

As for Eli, I cannot put him
In based on rings that his defense won. I dont even think rings should have anything to do with it. Marino is obviously a hall of famer. Dilfer is obviously not.
Rings have too much to do with circumstance and situation which is completely beyond their control. Put Dan Marino on the 2000’s Giants team with that D and he certainly wins a couple. Put Eli on those Dolphins teams he wins zero and they probably dont even sniff playing in one. You have to look at career numbers.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

As for Eli, I cannot put him
In based on rings that his defense won. I dont even think rings should have anything to do with it. Marino is obviously a hall of famer. Dilfer is obviously not.
Rings have too much to do with circumstance and situation which is completely beyond their control. Put Dan Marino on the 2000’s Giants team with that D and he certainly wins a couple. Put Eli on those Dolphins teams he wins zero and they probably dont even sniff playing in one. You have to look at career numbers.

So when you say career numbers are you talking about regular season only? Because the postseason counts too when talking about a career resume. And fair or not it's going to be weighed more heavily especially when you win 2. Everyone knows Marino was a brilliant QB who was stuck on mostly mediocre teams. And everyone knows Dilfer was a terrible QB who played with one of the best all time defenses. There's context to everything.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

So when you say career numbers are you talking about regular season only? Because the postseason counts too when talking about a career resume. And fair or not it's going to be weighed more heavily especially when you win 2. Everyone knows Marino was a brilliant QB who was stuck on mostly mediocre teams. And everyone knows Dilfer was a terrible QB who played with one of the best all time defenses. There's context to everything.

And everyone knows that the Giants defense was the reason those Super Bowls were won so that context matters too.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

And everyone knows that the Giants defense was the reason those Super Bowls were won so that context matters too.

Part of the reason yes ,so was Eli.

Player GWD Years
Eli Manning 37 2004-2019
Warren Moon+ 35 1984-2000
Carson Palmer 35 2004-2017
Philip Rivers 35 2004-2020

How many comeback wins
Leaders
Player 4QC Years
Eli Manning 27 2004-2019
Joe Montana+ 26 1979-1994
Warren Moon+ 25 1984-2000
Drew Bledsoe 24 1993-2006

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Part of the reason yes ,so was Eli.

Sorry, they scored 17 and 21 points in those games. They were won by the defense.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Part of the reason yes ,so was Eli.

Player GWD Years
Eli Manning 37 2004-2019
Warren Moon+ 35 1984-2000
Carson Palmer 35 2004-2017
Philip Rivers 35 2004-2020

How many comeback wins
Leaders
Player 4QC Years
Eli Manning 27 2004-2019
Joe Montana+ 26 1979-1994
Warren Moon+ 25 1984-2000
Drew Bledsoe 24 1993-2006

G1 irl:

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

So when you say career numbers are you talking about regular season only? Because the postseason counts too when talking about a career resume. And fair or not it's going to be weighed more heavily especially when you win 2. Everyone knows Marino was a brilliant QB who was stuck on mostly mediocre teams. And everyone knows Dilfer was a terrible QB who played with one of the best all time defenses. There's context to everything.

Absolutely post season numbers need to be and should be considered. You cant take away those games, but playing postseason games normally means you have a good coach, gm, owner, defense, weapons, etc. So guys like Marino, Stafford, etc are just unfortunate they were drafted by who they were drafted by.

What Im saying is you cannot simply say “eli won two super bowl mvp’s he is definitely in”. That is nonsense. Yes absolutely context to everything.
At the end of the day I think HOF careers rise to the surface regardless of championships or situations. My comments were really focused on Elis situation. There is no way he is even in the conversation if he played on a team like Marino.

[MTK]

We can hate it all we want but he also won two SB MVPs, more context

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

We can hate it all we want but he also won two SB MVPs, more context

So did Mark Rypien.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

So did Mark Rypien.

Ryp won 1

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

Ryp won 1

No, he was a member of the 1987 team. Look at the guy in the Redskins sweater next to Gibbs signaling in the plays. He was on IR.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

No, he was a member of the 1987 team. Look at the guy in the Redskins sweater next to Gibbs signaling in the plays. He was on IR.

I meant he won 1 SB MVP

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

So did Mark Rypien.

????? Two????

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by nonniey

????? Two????

I misunderstood the OP. I thought he said Eli won 2 Super Bowls, which he did, but he said Eli won two Super Bowl MVP…which Mark did not. Mark was on IR during the 87 season so technically he did win 2 Super Bowls, but not 2 Super Bowl MVPs.