Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are we in a position to draft a guy and let him sit? I don't think we are.

Probably yes and probably no, depending on how the FA situation shakes out. If we get RG3, he'll be a day 1 starter. But I don't know about anyone after him, unless the coaching staff knows they've found the next Andy Dalton.

[GTripp0012]

Mike Mayock said yesterday that if he's the Rams, he'd be ecstatic if the Browns gave up the 27th pick to move up two spots for RG3. Think about what the Rams are asking for. A one, a two, and a three to move down four spots. Yet, if their best offer was two firsts? They'd do that in a heartbeat.

My thing is this: if you are the Browns, why would you give up a first round pick to go up two spots even if you love RG3. No team can really make a better offer than the Browns first and second rounders, because the Browns have the draft position that the Rams want the most.

I think the Browns are just going to let the board come to them. And the Rams aren't going to be able to get any additional value on the second overall pick. They are going to be stuck with it.

At the end of the day, I think the 2013 first rounder is plenty enough to go as high in the draft as you need to go. I don't think you can get Luck or even get close to Luck at that price. But that gives you your pick of RG3/Blackmon/Kalil. Which is what the Redskins need the most.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Mike Mayock said yesterday that if he's the Rams, he'd be ecstatic if the Browns gave up the 27th pick to move up two spots for RG3. Think about what the Rams are asking for. A one, a two, and a three to move down four spots. Yet, if their best offer was two firsts? They'd do that in a heartbeat.

My thing is this: if you are the Browns, why would you give up a first round pick to go up two spots even if you love RG3. No team can really make a better offer than the Browns first and second rounders, because the Browns have the draft position that the Rams want the most.

I think the Browns are just going to let the board come to them. And the Rams aren't going to be able to get any additional value on the second overall pick. They are going to be stuck with it.

At the end of the day, I think the 2013 first rounder is plenty enough to go as high in the draft as you need to go. I don't think you can get Luck or even get close to Luck at that price. But that gives you your pick of RG3/Blackmon/Kalil. Which is what the Redskins need the most.

McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.

Just this year's first or is that first next year's in addition to this years' first? If just this year's 1st, 2nd, and 4th was required to move up to 2 I'd do it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Just this year's first or is that first next year's in addition to this years' first? If just this year's 1st, 2nd, and 4th was required to move up to 2 I'd do it.

This year's first, although thinking more about it I think that compensation may be a tad bit low. Although if the Browns get a QB through FA, then we become the next best trading partner.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.

I wrote about this yesterday. I don't link to get anyone to read, as I'm sure I'll post all the major points in this thread in possibly fewer than 2,500 words.

In short, the second or third pick are only valuable trade chips if the Redskins make them so. Cleveland is in total command in the RG3 sweepstakes. They have both the best draft position and the most draft value to acquire or block another team from acquiring RG3.

I think Cleveland wants Blackmon more than RG3 because he fits their offense. I don't expect St. Louis to pick Blackmon or RG3. I think they'll probably go with Kalil. And then I think Minnesota will try like hell to trade out of the third pick, and they'll probably be successful, especially if the Redskins like RG3. But lets say they go with Coples or Claiborne (or whoever). Then Cleveland gets to pick between RG3 and Blackmon.

That's I think when the Redskins will strike (if not at Minnesota's pick). The Bucs probably aren't taking Justin Blackmon. If the Browns can pick up a pick to move from 4 to 6, history has already shown they will. And I think that makes a lot more sense for them than to take even a more lucrative offer from Miami, but drop to beyond where Blackmon will be on the board.

Either way, I don't think Griffin goes higher than fourth. If Minnesota is desperate enough to let Washington or Miami or Seattle name their price, then yeah, that trade could happen.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I wrote about this yesterday. I don't link to get anyone to read, as I'm sure I'll post all the major points in this thread in possibly fewer than 2,500 words.

In short, the second or third pick are only valuable trade chips if the Redskins make them so. Cleveland is in total command in the RG3 sweepstakes. They have both the best draft position and the most draft value to acquire or block another team from acquiring RG3.

I think Cleveland wants Blackmon more than RG3 because he fits their offense. I don't expect St. Louis to pick Blackmon or RG3. I think they'll probably go with Kalil. And then I think Minnesota will try like hell to trade out of the third pick, and they'll probably be successful, especially if the Redskins like RG3. But lets say they go with Coples or Claiborne (or whoever). Then Cleveland gets to pick between RG3 and Blackmon.

That's I think when the Redskins will strike (if not at Minnesota's pick). The Bucs probably aren't taking Justin Blackmon. If the Browns can pick up a pick to move from 4 to 6, history has already shown they will. And I think that makes a lot more sense for them than to take even a more lucrative offer from Miami, but drop to beyond where Blackmon will be on the board.

Either way, I don't think Griffin goes higher than fourth. If Minnesota is desperate enough to let Washington or Miami or Seattle name their price, then yeah, that trade could happen.

I picked on you a few weeks ago for having long wind post that don't get to the point. This post was a great example of how you should post. It is relative short and gets to the point, well written thank you.

You have a lot good knowledge you just need to learn to feed it to the reader.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.

Pass

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012;886075[B

]Mike Mayock said yesterday that if he's the Rams, he'd be ecstatic if the Browns gave up the 27th pick to move up two spots for RG3. Think about what the Rams are asking for. A one, a two, and a three to move down four spots.[/B] Yet, if their best offer was two firsts? They'd do that in a heartbeat.

My thing is this: if you are the Browns, why would you give up a first round pick to go up two spots even if you love RG3. No team can really make a better offer than the Browns first and second rounders, because the Browns have the draft position that the Rams want the most.

I think the Browns are just going to let the board come to them. And the Rams aren't going to be able to get any additional value on the second overall pick. They are going to be stuck with it.

At the end of the day, I think the 2013 first rounder is plenty enough to go as high in the draft as you need to go. I don't think you can get Luck or even get close to Luck at that price. But that gives you your pick of RG3/Blackmon/Kalil. Which is what the Redskins need the most.

Too expensive IMO.

[12thMan]

Todd McShay thinks RG3 will either be a Redskin or a Cleveland Brown. Says he'd be surprised if he fell below the number 2 spot.

[los panda]

over $7M/year is too much for flynn at this point

[Dirtbag59]

Also I just want to add, does anyone think the Giants regret giving up two first and a third for Eli Manning? I mean for Gods sake the Chargers got 3 Pro Bowlers in that trade yet the Giants now have 2 Super Bowls.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Also I just want to add, does anyone think the Giants regret giving up two first and a third for Eli Manning?

GTripp does I believe...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Also I just want to add, does anyone think the Giants regret giving up two first and a third for Eli Manning? I mean for Gods sake the Chargers got 3 Pro Bowlers in that trade yet the Giants now have 2 Super Bowls.

Well, Ernie Accorsi doesn't regret it at all, but he's retired so what choice does he have?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Also I just want to add, does anyone think the Giants regret giving up two first and a third for Eli Manning? I mean for Gods sake the Chargers got 3 Pro Bowlers in that trade yet the Giants now have 2 Super Bowls.

That's hindsight. Had Eli flopped, would they have regretted it? Sure as hell would. However, that team had a bunch talent on it when Eli got drafted. They were only 2 years removed from a Super Bowl appearance and vastly underperformed that prior year. We aren't that team with a good talented base to be giving up that many picks for a gamble. Not now. In the future, sure.

Do the Falcons regret giving up those picks for Vick?

Do the Chargers regret giving up those picks for Leaf?