Obama Care

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Last I checked the people elected Barack Obama with an overwhelming majority who knew, by the way, that he was going to pass universal healthcare as his top domestic priority. This notion that the people are "against" this bill doesn't square with the people voting Democratic majorities to both the House and Senate, and a Democrat into the White House. The polls are all over the place on this bill and have been for sometime. Unfortunately the loudest opponents of it have been getting the most media coverage and have clouded the debate and the merits of the bill.

I say let the dust settle and we'll see who's really against it and who's for it.

With Republicans running on a full repeal platform the electoral prospect of the Democrats just got insanely better.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by saden1

With Republicans running on a full repeal platform the electoral prospect of the Democrats just got insanely better.

What's sort of perplexing to me is that their new strategy is: Repeal, Reform, and Replace. In other words, they are going to propose an entirely new bill to replace the one that just passed. Huh?

How they plan on jumping from a meager 3 million being covered to 32 million without making some wholesale changes to the current system is beyond me.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

What's sort of perplexing to me is that their new strategy is: Repeal, Reform, and Replace. In other words, they are going to propose an entirely new bill to replace the one that just passed. Huh?

How they plan on jumping from a meager 3 million being covered to 32 million without making some wholesale changes to the current system is beyond me.

They are beyond absurd. How do they plan on getting it through the senate and signed by the president is beyond me. These silly people are just that, silly and not to be taken seriously.

[FRPLG]

Our health care system is fine. It's why people come here for it. Now how much it costs and how insurance works...that's f'd up. I wish it was called what it really is. Health insurance reform.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Our health care system is fine. It's why people come here for it. Now how much it costs and how insurance works...that's f'd up. I wish it was called what it really is. Health insurance reform.

Hell in that case we should reform all of our policies to only the strongest (economically) survive. Wave sayonara to the American Dream along with it.

Reagan would be proud.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Hell in that case we should reform all of our policies to only the strongest (economically) survive. Wave sayonara to the American Dream along with it.

Reagan would be proud.

Yes , Reagan only wanted the filthy rich to have money and all labor workers and the enemployed to live in carboard shacks ???? So you think the Dems who had
Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia our taxes as high as 92% , no 401k plans , 1,000 / yr IRA contributions , 12-14% inflation rates and 14-22 % interst rates were fine , and helped the middle class ? In our system < Capitolism > everyone has the opprotunity to achieve wealth / higher standard of living .... it takes some hard work , dedication . Its like education and health care , if J. Doe cuts class , fails to put the time in to study , graduates ; does not attemp to learn a skill that will pay him a fair wage ... that is his choice . If J. Doe decides to ... drink, smoke , never exercise and like most people who have insurance , not go to a doctor , then even the best Ed. & HC system will do J.Doe and people like him any good . It is what we do as individuals that will determine what we have . Maybe you can explain to me how Dems are helping the middle class by taxing us up to and over $ 550,000 on what we leave our kids What is the Future of the Estate Tax? ?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Our health care system is fine. It's why people come here for it. Now how much it costs and how insurance works...that's f'd up. I wish it was called what it really is. Health insurance reform.

Couldn't agree more.

[Beemnseven]

Remember people, according to Democrats like Representative Dingle, it's all about "control."

[Daseal]

We should have just copied France. Hands down the best healthcare in the world. People love to point to Canada for socialized medicine. But in a poll about healthcare, a majority of the top 30 countries (which the US was not a part of ranked 37th) have 'socialist' healthcare. Sorry folks, reform needed, and still needs, to happen. We need to be smarter about hospitals. Stop having every hospital getting each and every new gadget. You may have to travel a bit more to get the exact care, but the cost savings will be worth it if hospitals regionalise.

Here's a great article about the new bill, that highlights both the positive and negative. One thing to keep in mind, preventative care is much cheaper than waiting for someone to need hospitalization. I have a feeling that we'll see a lot more of that with this bill.

Health Care Reform: Tax Hikes on the Way - Kiplinger

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Daseal

We should have just copied France. Hands down the best healthcare in the world. People love to point to Canada for socialized medicine. But in a poll about healthcare, a majority of the top 30 countries (which the US was not a part of ranked 37th) have 'socialist' healthcare. Sorry folks, reform needed, and still needs, to happen. We need to be smarter about hospitals. Stop having every hospital getting each and every new gadget. You may have to travel a bit more to get the exact care, but the cost savings will be worth it if hospitals regionalise.

Here's a great article about the new bill, that highlights both the positive and negative. One thing to keep in mind, preventative care is much cheaper than waiting for someone to need hospitalization. I have a feeling that we'll see a lot more of that with this bill.

Health Care Reform: Tax Hikes on the Way - Kiplinger

All those stupid polls I have seen are from a bias source so they don't mean squat. You really think we rank 37th in world on health care? Don't point to the world Health Organization because they are for everyone having health ins./ national health care.

[CRedskinsRule]

As JoeRedskin said. This thing will best be judged 10 years from now. Imagine, we will have had 3+ more superbowl rings for the Skins by and the US will be fiscally sound by then. It's easy if you try.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It's easy if you try.

The problem with the people not liking this is

"Imagine there's no Heaven"

since the baby jesus declared america the best country we must do all to appease him!

[CRedskinsRule]

Seeing how this thread now suffers the LastPageLink disease, maybe SmootSmack can look down upon us and open a new thread-maybe called:

ObamaCare: Episode 5-The Empire Strikes Back

and in 10 years when we revisit this we will start with:

ObamaCare - episode 1: the Phantom HC menace
episode 2: Attack of the PC clone wars (pc=politically correct)
episode 3: Revenge of the sick

and obviously this threads title will have to be changed to -

ObamaCare Episode 4- a New Hope

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Seeing how this thread now suffers the LastPageLink disease, maybe SmootSmack can look down upon us and open a new thread-maybe called:

ObamaCare: Episode 5-The Empire Strikes Back

and in 10 years when we revisit this we will start with:

ObamaCare - episode 1: the Phantom HC menace
episode 2: Attack of the PC clone wars (pc=politically correct)
episode 3: Revenge of the sick

and obviously this threads title will have to be changed to -

ObamaCare Episode 4- a New Hope

So I am quoting myself with the plea to maybe close this and if necessary open a follow up. This one has run its course...

[Daseal]

All those stupid polls I have seen are from a bias source so they don't mean squat. You really think we rank 37th in world on health care? Don't point to the world Health Organization because they are for everyone having health ins./ national health care.

FD - I do believe that, one hundred percent. Part of healthcare is people having access to healthcare. We have good care in this country, but people having access to it is the issue. You saying that the World Health Organization is for 'everyone having healthcare'. No shit. The world health organization wants everyone to have health insurance and access to care?

The fact that you don't want everyone to have access to healthcare is more shocking. I love how people skirt the whole France issue that have a socialized setup that provides amazing healthcare to all of their residents. We're one of the very few developed nations without national healthcare coverage.

Despite the claim by many in the U.S. health policy community that international comparison is not useful because of the uniqueness of the United States, the rankings have figured prominently in many arenas. It is hard to ignore that in 2006, the United States was number 1 in terms of health care spending per capita but ranked 39th for infant mortality, 43rd for adult female mortality, 42nd for adult male mortality, and 36th for life expectancy.3 These facts have fueled a question now being discussed in academic circles, as well as by government and the public: Why do we spend so much to get so little?

Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System | Health Care Reform Center

Take a look at this, and tell me that we're #1. We're lagging, severely in a lot of areas. The U.S. has the best health care system in the world

Instead of blindly saying "The US is better than everyone" for every single category. Try to look and see that we're lagging behind a lot of countries in a lot of areas. That's not to say this isn't a great country, but we need to constantly improve to stay on top.

I'm sick of seeing people bitch about making this country better. Is the system perfect, absolutely not. It has flaws. But it's interesting, we have no problem with tax hikes to pay for bombs that cost billions, yet taking care of our own people, people lose control. Holy crap, you might have to provide decent insurance for your employees?!?!?!?! If you can't afford it, shut your doors and go get a job for someone that can.

This is ridiculous. People on this site are always talking about how the US needs to stop taking care of every other country and take care of ourselves. This is a step in the right direction. As matty said earlier, what's not fair is 60% of all bankruptcies come not from poor financial planning, but needing a medical procedure. That, in my eyes, is complete bullshit.

We need much more reform than we have now. But I'll take this for a start.