49ers vs. Redskins Game Day Thread

[The Goat]

It was interesting to listen to the commentators today discuss Shanny's decision to pass on all those QBs. I think another way to look at it is Mike's decision to bench/cut three consecutive QBs for a worse one i.e. Jason is better than Mcnabb, Mcnabb better than Rex and Rex better than Beck. Beck is horrible. Holy shit just horrible. Locks on his target. Slow decision-maker. Lousy pocket presence.

But I don't put the blame for another blown season on Beck or any of the players in particular. It's painfully obvious these guys aren't being coached or motivated.

It's...just...spectacular...how far Mike has regressed in all facets of coaching. Talent evaluation. Organization. Clock management. Time-out management. Ability to motivate. Scheme. Wow...just wow. This is easily the worst coaching staff we've had in years. 11 ppg average in something like four or five games.

[NC_Skins]

Mike Shanahan: 11-6

Originally Posted by The Goat

It's...just...spectacular...how far Mike has regressed in all facets of coaching. Talent evaluation. Organization. Clock management. Time-out management. Ability to motivate. Scheme. Wow...just wow. This is easily the worst coaching staff we've had in years. 11 ppg average in something like four or five games.

Do tell us about all your experience in coaching so that we can get a handle on your qualifications to judge a coaching staff.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Mike Shanahan: 11-6




Do tell us about all your experience in coaching so that we can get a handle on your qualifications to judge a coaching staff.

Just watch football. That's all. As the commentators, analysts and literally everyone who gets paid to watch football has said, teams face all kinds of adversity including injuries and players turnover every year but the well coached teams respond in kind. Jeez oh man look at the Pack's road to the SB last year when they had 15 guys, many of them starters and stars, on IR.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Just watch football. That's all. As the commentators, analysts and literally everyone who gets paid to watch football has said, teams face all kinds of adversity including injuries and players turnover every year but the well coached teams respond in kind. Jeez oh man look at the Pack's road to the SB last year when they had 15 guys, many of them starters and stars, on IR.

You mean the same Green Bay team we beat? Yeah, and they played like crap to start out with when the new guys filled those injured roles. Once they got some games in, and a chance to gel they went on a run.


We were playing good, had injuries, so now young players are currently filling those spots and are learning on the job. That's how things go bro.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You mean the same Green Bay team we beat? Yeah, and they played like crap to start out with when the new guys filled those injured roles. Once they got some games in, and a chance to gel they went on a run.


We were playing good, had injuries, so now young players are currently filling those spots and are learning on the job. That's how things go bro.

Why did you link Mike's post-game?

...he said we played focused and extremely hard lol. This guy isn't in the game. The feel of our gameday's right now reminds me of '07 just before Gibbs resigned. I thought it was obvious he'd lost the edge and especially on gameday. Williams was holding the team together. Right now Haslett and the defense are trying to hold the team together but Haslett isn't nearly as talented as Williams and of course Mike's history in DC isn't Gibbs history.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You mean the same Green Bay team we beat? Yeah, and they played like crap to start out with when the new guys filled those injured roles. Once they got some games in, and a chance to gel they went on a run.


We were playing good, had injuries, so now young players are currently filling those spots and are learning on the job. That's how things go bro.

This whole "young guys" thing is really getting blown out of proportion..

Roy Helu is very equal to Torain (the second option) in productivity.
Hankerson, Paul and Austin play the same position.
Hurt isn't expected to ever be a full time starter.

Who's the other young guy? Fred Davis has been here forever it seems.. Trent is a 4th overall pick and better be able to step right in. Chester/Brown/Monty are all 28+.. Darrel Young is a dime a dozen player and it doesn't matter who plays his position..

I mean our defense is ready there's no question there.. so I just fail to see how we can use the logic of "letting the young guys play" as long as we have a crappy quarterback who won't be here in 8 games named John beck.

Even if Beck and Hankerson manage to perfect the over the shoulder fade, we're still looking at reforming that chemistry next year unlike the Packers and Rodgers.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Just watch football. That's all. As the commentators, analysts and literally everyone who gets paid to watch football has said, teams face all kinds of adversity including injuries and players turnover every year but the well coached teams respond in kind. Jeez oh man look at the Pack's road to the SB last year when they had 15 guys, many of them starters and stars, on IR.

The Packers also had good backups who didn't look like deer in headlights when put into action. Not to mention scouts like to scout out the Packers' sloppy seconds. Backups with skill are what put them over the top.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Mike Shanahan: 11-6




Do tell us about all your experience in coaching so that we can get a handle on your qualifications to judge a coaching staff.

Don't need to be an ex coach to tell it like it is. The big problem a lot of us have is how the team is playing, and it is all too reminescent of the Zorn era. Losing is like a virus, and it is catchy. London Fletcher is getting frustrated and might decide to hang it up with this crap. The lockerroom might be lost to the coaching staff by month's end, if not sooner. A mark of any good coach is to adjust your game plan to the personnell you have to work with. Why didn't we run more of Helu? Even give Torain a few carries? Harbaugh is a rook NFL coach and seems to have his shit together more than the Shanahans? He is stuck with Alex Smith, not the best QB out there. What does he do? He focuses on the running game with Gore and K. Smith and only goes to A. Smith when he needs to or gives Smith a pass play on 1st or 2nd down on occasion to keep the D honest. Bottom line, he focuses on the strengths of his roster. Why did the Shanny put the game in Beck's hand? The guy is a deer in headlights!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Don't need to be an ex coach to tell it like it is. The big problem a lot of us have is how the team is playing, and it is all too reminescent of the Zorn era. Losing is like a virus, and it is catchy. London Fletcher is getting frustrated and might decide to hang it up with this crap. The lockerroom might be lost to the coaching staff by month's end, if not sooner. A mark of any good coach is to adjust your game plan to the personnell you have to work with. Why didn't we run more of Helu? Even give Torain a few carries? Harbaugh is a rook NFL coach and seems to have his shit together more than the Shanahans? He is stuck with Alex Smith, not the best QB out there. What does he do? He focuses on the running game with Gore and K. Smith and only goes to A. Smith when he needs to or gives Smith a pass play on 1st or 2nd down on occasion to keep the D honest. Bottom line, he focuses on the strengths of his roster. Why did the Shanny put the game in Beck's hand? The guy is a deer in headlights!

This. Harbaugh is a turd but you cannot deny his talent as a coach. Alex Smith's accuracy has sky rocketed this year because Harbaugh built the scheme around him. LOL though when you said deer in the headlights I wondered if Beck or Mike is the deer!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This. Harbaugh is a turd but you cannot deny his talent as a coach. Alex Smith's accuracy has sky rocketed this year because Harbaugh built the scheme around him. LOL though when you said deer in the headlights I wondered if Beck or Mike is the deer!

Most people thought he was nothing but a college coach, not me.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This. Harbaugh is a turd but you cannot deny his talent as a coach. Alex Smith's accuracy has sky rocketed this year because Harbaugh built the scheme around him. LOL though when you said deer in the headlights I wondered if Beck or Mike is the deer!

He built it around a system that let Alex be the most productive he can be, and that is put an emphasis on the running game still to keep the pressure off of him. He doesn't really attempt that many passes, but when he does he is indeed accurate like you say.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Don't need to be an ex coach to tell it like it is. The big problem a lot of us have is how the team is playing, and it is all too reminescent of the Zorn era. Losing is like a virus, and it is catchy. London Fletcher is getting frustrated and might decide to hang it up with this crap. The lockerroom might be lost to the coaching staff by month's end, if not sooner. A mark of any good coach is to adjust your game plan to the personnell you have to work with. Why didn't we run more of Helu? Even give Torain a few carries? Harbaugh is a rook NFL coach and seems to have his shit together more than the Shanahans? He is stuck with Alex Smith, not the best QB out there. What does he do? He focuses on the running game with Gore and K. Smith and only goes to A. Smith when he needs to or gives Smith a pass play on 1st or 2nd down on occasion to keep the D honest. Bottom line, he focuses on the strengths of his roster. Why did the Shanny put the game in Beck's hand? The guy is a deer in headlights!

Grossman was playing well early in the year and Shanny was a genius for getting the best out of a guy who is widely viewed as a joke around the league. Our "three-headed-monster" was allowing us to control the ball.. What happened? Grossman developed the same bad habits he's always had and began to hold us back. Considering this was a competition from day 1 we moved on to Beck who played well for two games and what happened? Injuries and Beck developed some bad habits which are essentially being afraid to throw the ball because of the inevitable pressure.

You want more rushing from Helu/Torain? We were down two possessions at this point and didn't have ANY type of success in the passing attack which lead to a stacked box and small gains from Helu. Once the pressure came off Beck was having his way on the defense.. Which is unfortunate and frustrating, but it shows that there is success somewhere in this offense..

Mike Shanahan is not the problem here, the problem is our quarterbacks just flat out suck and Alex Smith is relatively decent when you look at all 32 teams in the league and who they start.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Grossman was playing well early in the year and Shanny was a genius for getting the best out of a guy who is widely viewed as a joke around the league. Our "three-headed-monster" was allowing us to control the ball.. What happened? Grossman developed the same bad habits he's always had and began to hold us back. Considering this was a competition from day 1 we moved on to Beck who played well for two games and what happened? Injuries and Beck developed some bad habits which are essentially being afraid to throw the ball because of the inevitable pressure.

You want more rushing from Helu/Torain? We were down two possessions at this point and didn't have ANY type of success in the passing attack which lead to a stacked box and small gains from Helu. Once the pressure came off Beck was having his way on the defense.. Which is unfortunate and frustrating, but it shows that there is success somewhere in this offense..

Mike Shanahan is not the problem here, the problem is our quarterbacks just flat out suck and Alex Smith is relatively decent when you look at all 32 teams in the league and who they start.

Yeah, but who brought in those Qbs? Also, this is NFC East ball, you just run your new #1 RB only 10 times? I can see 10 times a half, but 10 times a game? Why did KS go pass happy with a sucky QB? The best HCs can bring out the best in what they have to work with or make gameplans that reflect as such. At this point Ir I am starting to think MS is doing not necessarily a "Suck for Luck" thing, but a "Dive for a Top Five" sort of thing for Landry Jones, Moore, Barkely, etc.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by The Goat

It was interesting to listen to the commentators today discuss Shanny's decision to pass on all those QBs. I think another way to look at it is Mike's decision to bench/cut three consecutive QBs for a worse one i.e. Jason is better than Mcnabb, Mcnabb better than Rex and Rex better than Beck. Beck is horrible. Holy shit just horrible. Locks on his target. Slow decision-maker. Lousy pocket presence.

But I don't put the blame for another blown season on Beck or any of the players in particular. It's painfully obvious these guys aren't being coached or motivated.

It's...just...spectacular...how far Mike has regressed in all facets of coaching. Talent evaluation. Organization. Clock management. Time-out management. Ability to motivate. Scheme. Wow...just wow. This is easily the worst coaching staff we've had in years. 11 ppg average in something like four or five games.

I fully agree aside from the bolded.

[IrMitchell]

Honestly, I wouldn't be against Haslett being a head coach here. I like how he thinks.