Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by The Goat

It's a good point. Refs have lost the confidence of both players and coaches. Won't be surprised if we see some pretty shocking things happen this weekend.

Honestly at this point it has to spin entirely out of control so that i never have to see it again.

[mike340]

Getting back on track with this thread, I don't care that the defense was ranked reasonably for the whole of last year.

Our opponents have scored 30+ points in all but 1 of our 8 last regular season games. (In our last 5 games last year, only the Giants failed to score 30 points, 3 scored 34 each, and 1 scored 33.)

It's the defense that's broken. Our offense is getting the job done. It reminds me of the days before George Allen where Sonny directed a great offense but the defense would always give away a lead.

I'm looking forward to 2 years from now when they have money to work with (post cap-hit Mara crap) and we will be able to complement our current offense with a reasonable defense.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by mike340

Getting back on track with this thread, I don't care that the defense was ranked reasonably for the whole of last year.

Our opponents have scored 30+ points in all but 1 of our 8 last regular season games. (In our last 5 games last year, only the Giants failed to score 30 points, 3 scored 34 each, and 1 scored 33.)

It's the defense that's broken. Our offense is getting the job done. It reminds me of the days before George Allen where Sonny directed a great offense but the defense would always give away a lead.

I'm looking forward to 2 years from now when they have money to work with (post cap-hit Mara crap) and we will be able to complement our current offense with a reasonable defense.

Again, we are always only 2 years away.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Again, we are always only 2 years away.

Looking at the roster it really shouldn't take that long. Offensively we need a starting caliber RT and at least one more backup OT. A proven playmaker at WR would be nice but likely not in the cards because we guaranteed so much to Garcon.

Defensively, we are are a few players away from being "there" whether we stayed in the 3-4 or switched back to the 4-3.

I think a good (not even great) off-season could put us there.

However, the big ? is talent evaluation by this FO. This IS Mike's roster. We're three years in and only have one starting caliber OT (who's hurt right now) and a defense that's vastly inferior to the one he inherited. Those facts are on the regime and nobody else. How much faith can you have they're gonna figure it out in the 4th year?

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Again, we are always only 2 years away.

I think that is just a sign of how broken this franchise has been since 1992. Granted 1999 and the begining of the Snyder era is the true begning of this team hitting bottom. Shanahan clearly owns this current mess, not a big fan of his, and I think the nepotism of having his son as OC, is problematic. As a father there is no way that could objectively judge my own sons if they worked for me.

But beyond the nepotism Shanahan owns the following blunders: McNubb trade, I "stake my reputation" on Beck/Grossman and the failure to address the offensive line and secondary.

It is truly mind boggling how many ex-Redskins go to other teams and then perform at a higher level. Chris Clemons at Seatle being the latest example with his 4 sack game, granted he bounced from the Skins to Oakland, to Philly, to finally Seatle, but seems this is a consistent story line. In my mind it is a symptom of an overall organizational/culture problem within the franchise.

Been a fan of this team for a long time, and that loyalty is not going to change, I guess the biggest problem are the childhood memories of when this team was good, and now twenty years of suck. My biggest hope is that RG3 is able to turn this franchise around.

I am becoming very sceptical that Shanahan is the one to guide this team and RG3. I think they way they are using RG3 is very reckless and will cost the franchise long term, they need to let him, throw the damn football! The kid is a phenomenal talent and it is going to be a bitter pill of the Shananigan duo, messes him up trying to win a couple more games on a season in which it is obvious that this team is no where near being ready to contend for a division title or the playoffs. I almost cringe at thinking what is going to happen when the likes of Dallas, NY, and Philly defenses t-off on RG3 with the incredibly porous o-line. Rant off.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

It is truly mind boggling how many ex-Redskins go to other teams and then perform at a higher level. Chris Clemons at Seatle being the latest example with his 4 sack game, granted he bounced from the Skins to Oakland, to Philly, to finally Seatle.

Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

Bottom of the league defense and no healthy starting O tackles isn't where I'd like to be. Not even close

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

Scapegoats. Someone's gotta bear the brunt of the blame.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

Gee let's see 6-10, 5-11, now off to a 1-2 start, with one of the worst defenses in the NFL and dependent entirely upon our extremely talented QB in order to have any offence at all. Which the geniuses running the show that is Kyle, and Mike, just spelling it out for you so don't miss the frigging point, clearly are intent on getting the kid killed with idiotic playing calling of let him take 20 -30 hits a game. Why do you think RBs only last till age 30 in this league?

Shanahan is a grade A prick, and a liar, afterall he is the one at the podium, and I quote, "I stake my reputation on it" that Rex Grossman and John Beck can play in this league, how exactly did that work out? Here we are year three, and same major issues, no depth on the o-line, and now a problematic secondary. Yet again our major free agents not exactly working out this season, not knocking Garcon, but he is needed in the worst possible way, if this foot injury ends up being a chronic thing, and as a fan I pray that it is not, are we going to have another Jamal Brown on our hands?

With respect to Clemons, and obviously nobody reads anything if it is long, I pointed out he bounced around the league. But there is a trend and no one can deny this that ex-Redskins go elsewhere and thrive, and just to make it clear for the recent era: Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark, Champ Bailey, Carlos Rogers, Rheingold now at Buffalo and so on, I am sure there are plenty more examples.

So if anyone needs to stop smoking the funny stuff, it is you son.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

I think that is just a sign of how broken this franchise has been since 1992. Granted 1999 and the begining of the Snyder era is the true begning of this team hitting bottom. Shanahan clearly owns this current mess, not a big fan of his, and I think the nepotism of having his son as OC, is problematic. As a father there is no way that could objectively judge my own sons if they worked for me.

But beyond the nepotism Shanahan owns the following blunders: McNubb trade, I "stake my reputation" on Beck/Grossman and the failure to address the offensive line and secondary.

It is truly mind boggling how many ex-Redskins go to other teams and then perform at a higher level. Chris Clemons at Seatle being the latest example with his 4 sack game, granted he bounced from the Skins to Oakland, to Philly, to finally Seatle, but seems this is a consistent story line. In my mind it is a symptom of an overall organizational/culture problem within the franchise.

Been a fan of this team for a long time, and that loyalty is not going to change, I guess the biggest problem are the childhood memories of when this team was good, and now twenty years of suck. My biggest hope is that RG3 is able to turn this franchise around.

I am becoming very sceptical that Shanahan is the one to guide this team and RG3. I think they way they are using RG3 is very reckless and will cost the franchise long term, they need to let him, throw the damn football! The kid is a phenomenal talent and it is going to be a bitter pill of the Shananigan duo, messes him up trying to win a couple more games on a season in which it is obvious that this team is no where near being ready to contend for a division title or the playoffs. I almost cringe at thinking what is going to happen when the likes of Dallas, NY, and Philly defenses t-off on RG3 with the incredibly porous o-line. Rant off.

Clemons is a late bloomer.

Philly and Oakland also gave up on him so...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Clemons is a late bloomer.

Philly and Oakland also gave up on him so...

i dunno, he had like 8 sacks when he went to philly. he's not bad at what he does... maybe he's too 1-dimensional? i haven't really watched him since he left (forever ago).

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Again, we are always only 2 years away.

You know how those last couple of days before you go on vacation can sometimes be the best part. Your walking around happy with anticipation and tying up loose ends. Well being a Redskins fan is like being in a perpetual state of pre-vacacation. Once the vacation starts you know its going to end. So be happy and enjoy your perpetual state of pre-vacation.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You know how those last couple of days before you go on vacation can sometimes be the best part. Your walking around happy with anticipation and tying up loose ends. Well being a Redskins fan is like being in a perpetual state of pre-vacacation. Once the vacation starts you know its going to end. So be happy and enjoy your perpetual state of pre-vacation.

That's awesome...and also qualifies for the optimism thread!

[MTK]

With RG3 on board it feels like we're closer than ever before. Imagine him in 2-3 years? Wow.

[punch it in]

Rg3 is keeping me sane at this point. I look forward to watching him play so much during the week i almost am not paying attention to our record rite now. Im confident in victory because of a rookie every week. Its pretty awesome.