Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[MTK]

Report: Redskins have no intention of trading Cousins | CSN Mid-Atlantic

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

Report: Redskins have no intention of trading Cousins | CSN Mid-Atlantic

THAT's the shit I've been waiting for. Rap Sheet.

Don't give me this Jason Cole, Bleacher Report, Jason Reid nonsense. Give me somebody with the cred.

[Schneed10]

Goodness gracious, we're analyzing Instagram pictures. Just stahp it.

Let's get some cooler heads up in here. The fact that the Redskins tagged Cousins doesn't change a whole lot. The one thing they did do was choose the non-exclusive tag, so he can't go negotiate terms. You could look at that a couple ways:

1) They don't view two first round picks as adequate compensation for him, and thus if he signed with the 49ers and they declined to match, they wouldn't be happy with the compensation. The non-exclusive tag means they control the discussions around trade compensation. In doing so they strengthen their negotiating position. Play it out:

- SF contacts Washington about trading for Cousins. They'll give their #2 overall pick for Cousins and the 17th. Bruce and Scott say F you no way, go pound sand.

- Cleveland contacts Washington about trading for Cousins. They'll give two 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder. Bruce and Scott say now you're talking. OK, Kirk we give you permission to talk to the Browns about a contract, but not SF. SF isn't willing to offer adequate compensation, so F them. Cousins then decides do I want to play in Cleveland, or do I play under the tag one more time and try to get to free agency? There's still a risk the 'Skins lose him for nothing in 2018. But think about it from SF's standpoint - they can't even talk with him right now. So if they want him, they're going to come stronger with an offer. Or they'll say nah forget it, they'll do something else at QB, and then Cousins' leverage next year disappears.

It's basically a game of chicken between the Skins and the Niners. Force the Niners to have to think about 2018 as the earliest they could get their hands on Cousins. If they do something at QB between now and then, like drafting Trubisky, then some leverage shifts back to Washington.

2) While they haven't budged in their financial commitment to him yet, maybe they are planning on coming up between now and July 15, and they don't want John Lynch or anybody else to get in his ear. Maybe the Skins have a better read on this negotiation than we give them credit for. Maybe Cousins really does want to be a Redskin, and all he wants is for the team to get realistic with its offers.

Several reports have said that Cousins's preferred destination if dealt, would be the 49ers. Jason Reid also recently had his report that Cousins doesn't want to sign long term. It is certainly possible. But it's also possible those reports are leaking from the Cousins camp in an effort to gain leverage over Washington to extract the contract he wants from the team he wants to play with. He made the Pro Bowl as a 'Skin, and he likes familiarity and routine. There's a lot of reason to believe he wants to be a Washington Redskin, despite recent reports.

So when I step back from it, I see the Redskins trying to put the Niners in a position where they feel like they need to shit or get off the pot at QB. So they will either come with a strong trade offer, or they'll acquire a QB not named Kirk Cousins, and hopefully that will happen before July 15.

Then when July 15 comes, THAT's when the Redskins come with their best offer, when hopefully the Niners will be committed to a different QB, and the Skins won't feel like they need to make him the highest QB in the league.

When I war-game it, I just see a big game of three-way chicken right now, a game between the Cousins and Redskins and a game between the Niners and Redskins. Wait till July 15 and see who swerves first.

[mooby]

Good post Schneed, but what happens if Kyle S. calls the Skins' bluff and decides he will go with a stop gap solution at qb to guide the 49ers into next year where they will make a massive offer to Kirk in FA? I can see several reasons why that wouldn't happen, including A. you're wasting your first season as HC, and B. Kirk will almost be 30 at that point and you're not sure if you want to invest big money in a semi-aging qb. But I can also see why they would do that, because Kyle S. knows what he's getting with Kirk.

[Schneed10]

For sure. But by July 15 you will know the Niners plans. If they call the bluff and go stop gap, you still have till July 15 to come hard with an offer. There's no need to budge now. By July 15 we will know if they're dumb as foxes.

[Alvin Walton]

Cousins has owned 4 different vehicles in is life.
He has dated 9 different women.
His 5th grade math teacher was from San Francisco.
4
9
49
Yep, hes's gone...

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Cousins has owned 4 different vehicles in is life.
He has dated 9 different women.
His 5th grade math teacher was from San Francisco.
4
9
49
Yep, hes's gone...

I like this more than fretting about bullshit.

Cousins wears #12. 1 + 2. 1 thing in his life that has always guided him are his principles. Principals, a guiding figure in anyone's life, like a Mike Shanahan when Kirk was drafted. Mike Shanahan, the father/principal in Kyle Shanahan's life. 2 reasons why Kirk is gone: Principles, and Kyle Shanahan.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Cousins has owned 4 different vehicles in is life.
He has dated 9 different women.
His 5th grade math teacher was from San Francisco.
4
9
49
Yep, hes's gone...

He threw exactly 25 tds last year. Coincidence? I think not. He was trolling the Skins by making a statement on how much it would take to sign him long term

He also threw 4917 yards, subtract 17 from 49 and what do you get? 32, which is about what the tag will cost next year. Another troll statement

But wait, theres more. Add 25 and 32 and you come up with 57 which is, drum roll, Nick Sundbergs number. Which can only mean one thing: KIRK COUSINS HATES NICK SUNDBERG. Get this clown out of here, not only is he taking passive aggressive shots at the Skins, he clearly can't get along with one of the nicest guys on the team. I'm so over him

[Schneed10]

I still believe both sides want each other, in spite of the noise.

[metalskins]

Actually Schneed, you have it backwards. Cousins was tagged the exclusive. Meaning, the Redskins hold exclusive rights to Kirk Cousins. The non-exclusive would have allowed Cousins to negotiate with other teams.


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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Actually Schneed, you have it backwards. Cousins was tagged the exclusive. Meaning, the Redskins hold exclusive rights to Kirk Cousins. The non-exclusive would have allowed Cousins to negotiate with other teams.


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You're right, I misspoke. You can tell I knew which I was referring to I just don't believe in adhering to the rules of the English language.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You're right, I misspoke. You can tell I knew which I was referring to I just don't believe in adhering to the rules of the English language.

LOL!! Screw the English language!

[Skinsfanatic]

I have to think Kirk still wants to sign a long term deal with us. $55 million guaranteed (for instance) over 5 years (plus more in not guaranteed contract) is better than $24m this year and $30 million next year because next year is not guaranteed. Have a bad year or get hurt and you can kiss that money goodbye. Kirk set himself up by making them tag him again, but my guess is something gets worked out as long as the team can come up with a decent offer.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

I have to think Kirk still wants to sign a long term deal with us. $55 million guaranteed (for instance) over 5 years (plus more in not guaranteed contract) is better than $24m this year and $30 million next year because next year is not guaranteed. Have a bad year or get hurt and you can kiss that money goodbye. Kirk set himself up by making them tag him again, but my guess is something gets worked out as long as the team can come up with a decent offer.

I completely agree and this is how I see it going.

I think the team is either a) playing this as poorly as possible (Snyder is meddling and doesn't want him) or b) playing this as absolutely perfectly as possible by not budging an inch until July 15 when they will have waited out Kirk's leverage and then come up with a reasonable deal as you suggest.

I still think it's B.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I completely agree and this is how I see it going.

I think the team is either a) playing this as poorly as possible (Snyder is meddling and doesn't want him) or b) playing this as absolutely perfectly as possible by not budging an inch until July 15 when they will have waited out Kirk's leverage and then come up with a reasonable deal as you suggest.

I still think it's B.

That's what I'm hoping for! Will love it when all of the haters in the media have to eat a little crow. Of course, the only thing they'll be talking about is how the Redskins could have signed Cousins to a cheaper deal had they offered him what he wanted last year. Will probably also go on to say how we could have kept Garcon and D-Jax (assuming at least one of them leaves.) Even though had the 'skins done that, then the media would have blasted them for offering a contract to a largely unproven quarterback ala' Brock Osweiler.

Honestly, it's not my money so I won't really care if Cousins makes over 100 million dollars so as long as he continues to improve and show himself as a franchise QB and that the team can still draft well and sign free agents.