Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[GTripp0012]

Impressed with Ron Rivera being able to embrace the "Riverboat Ron" meme, and defining himself as a quality head coach in this league. Wasn't looking good for him a couple months ago. Not at all dissimilar to Coughlin in 2007.

[irish]

When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.

[Starry Plough]

Originally Posted by irish

When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.

I know what you mean. It’s worth nothing though that Cerrato was likely a huge factor in undermining each of the coaches he’s worked alongside, to the point the mess that was created when the current regime arrived is one of the few things everyone agrees Shanny has, for the most part addressed.

It’s why I honestly believe that if the foundations are stable, and they appear to be i.e. the locker room isn’t poisonous, the owner has learned to refrain from meddling, we have a franchise QB and a handful of promising young players, then if it’s all change again the transition should in theory be smoother and we ultimately get to where we want to be quicker and more progressively than in previous years.

As has been hinted at, Mike may not even want to finish up his contract if he feels next year is a must win situation. And if that is the case, then it’s in the best interests of the team that he’s allowed to walk at the end of the season as despondency at H/C level can breed a negative mentality. I haven’t seen his post-game interview after the Eagles loss, but understand it suggested he’s there already unfortunately and if true, then it’s a shame all round but again, the best interests of the team are what matter.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.

Well hindsight is always 20/20. Hindsight tells me you wait until the season is over to fire Norv Turner (the Redskins still had a winning record when Turner was fired.) Hindsight also tells me not to fire Charlie Casserly. Who knows? Charlie as GM and then hiring in Marty? That probably would have gotten the 'skins back on track.

It's just one of those things where this franchise has to continue to evolve into a "winning team" in the front office first before we can truly see it trickle down to the field. We've been saying this ever since we had to deal with Snyder/Cerrato as THE front office. Now that we've had a few years with Bruce Allen, we can at least see a big difference on the money side of things. But there's still work that has to be done in the front office, and it sounds like they're trying to do this. Allen is great with the money part of it, now the Redskins are looking for the perfect GM who has an eye for talent in both head coaching and players. Now, I have no idea on who they plan on moving up or hiring in for that - but this will be more crucial than trying to figure out who coaches the Redskins in '14.

[KI Skins Fan]

The fact that I'm now 65 years old definitely colors my viewpoint on the HC issue. I need to bear in mind that I could drop dead at any time - I know that because my life insurance premiums have gone through the roof.

With that in mind, there is no way that I can entertain the idea of an extension for Shanny. I suppose that I could reluctantly accept the idea that he might finish out his current contract, depending on how well the team plays from this point forward. But even that bothers me because I find it hard to give full credit for wins in games that are essentially meaningless for the Redskins.

At this point in my life, I don't have the time for an underperforming HC to squat on a $7M per year job for 5 years. My ideal contract for a HC would be short term (perhaps 2 years) with with incentives that, if certain goals are achieved, would trigger an automatic extension and a big raise. The trick would be to pay the HC very well to begin with and exceptionally well if he achieves his given targets. But things are so screwed up in the NFL, I assume that such a performance-based contract would be disallowed by the league.

By the way, if some coaches would not accept such a deal, then I would only interview those who would accept it.

[skinsfaninok]

The comparisons to Jason Campbell are mind boggling to me.

[Lotus]

Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.

Damn right! As a three-way player, he would have been a big upgrade at WR, Free Safety, and PR/KR!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.

......maybe.
I think what bothers me the most (and I'm hearing it happened due to the league putting pressure on the team or MS) is RG3 getting the nod to start when he clearly was not 100%, I don't care how many times he says he was. To me 100% means he no longer needs that leg brace that is slowing him down and hindering his running and cutting ability. Is he 80% probably. But he got zippy work with the WR's and TEs in the offseason and it showed, his timing was off and balls were over thrown. Heck we still see it.

I would have played Cousins cause he had all preseason to practice with the WR's and TE's. I'd have let RG3 sit until maybe game 4 or whenever we played the Raiders. Depending on how he looked in practice I might have held him out until after the bye.

Right now.... I'd bench him to keep him healthy and so he didn't take all those hits, I'd play Cousins to show case him maybe for a trade.

[skinsguy]

I really hope you guys are being sarcastic when you're talking about Pat White.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I really hope you guys are being sarcastic when you're talking about Pat White.

Of course we are sarcastic about Pat White as a QB. Pat White can do better - he should be our head coach.

[Monkeydad]

Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.


Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.


Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.

I agree with you. I'm all for giving Shanahan another year to prove he's the guy to turn things around, but it sounds like if the front office is not willing to give him an extension (and right now I do have to say there's more reason not to) then I doubt Mike would stay as a lame duck head coach. Then again, maybe he doesn't see it that way? In the end, I just want this team to win. I don't care who the head coach is, I just want this team winning on a regular basis. Playoffs, Super Bowls, etc...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I agree with you. I'm all for giving Shanahan another year to prove he's the guy to turn things around, but it sounds like if the front office is not willing to give him an extension (and right now I do have to say there's more reason not to) then I doubt Mike would stay as a lame duck head coach. Then again, maybe he doesn't see it that way? In the end, I just want this team to win. I don't care who the head coach is, I just want this team winning on a regular basis. Playoffs, Super Bowls, etc...

The flip side is that he's said on many occasions that he told Snyder 'unless you're going to give me the full 5 years, don't hire me'. So if I'm Snyder I'm throwing that right back at him. I'll give you the full 5 years but nothing more until you prove to me you've earned another 3. Make him match the commitment...if that's the route they choose.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.

Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.

The problem with just replacing the coordinators is you almost have to extend Shanny in order to attract quality candidates and free agents. Nobody (of quality) is going to come to a team with a lame duck head coach and an owner with a history of an itchy trigger finger. We'd get people to fill the slots but will they be an improvement over what we already have?