Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Jay Gruden's deal with Redskins includes rare five guaranteed years - CBSSports.com

Lmao didn't shanny get the same??

[donofriose]

Yea he will get basically 4 years to show something in my opinion. Just like Mike.

[SmootSmack]

13 NFL HCs make more than $4 million/year

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

13 NFL HCs make more than $4 million/year

OK yeah so barely in top half. Even with a guaranteed 5th year I don't see that as an abnormal commitment in any way.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

13 NFL HCs make more than $4 million/year

in the link I quoted, 12 coaches were listed at over 4mil, with Gruden at 4 that makes 13.

BUT only 4 made less while 15 were undisclosed. Are you saying that all the undisclosed amounts are less then $4mil/year, or that 13 HC's have a disclosed salary of 4m + / year?

Because I would find it odd that all 15 were under 4million, especially when you consider JJ probably was competitive to keep Garrett, and Harbaugh is listed at 7mil .

[SmootSmack]

Most 1st time coaches don't get more than 3 guaranteed years

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Most 1st time coaches don't get more than 3 guaranteed years

Right but why is that meaningful? With Snyder's local revenue streams I'm sure he sees the Gruden deal as budget friendly. Even if the commitment goes out longer, it's still way less than he was paying Shanahan on an annual basis.

I guess I look at it this way. Going out an extra two years at a salary basically at the league median can only be described as a mediocre commitment. If Snyder cans Gruden after year 3, he'd eat barely more than he has to pay Shanahan for this single season.

It's about the total $ commitment much more than it is the length.

[CRedskinsRule]

Some notables that I see,
hired this year
Bill OBrian got a 5 year deal
Tennessee gave Whisenhut more than 4 years, + 1m/yr more than Detroit offered.
Lovie got 4yrs + 1 option
Minnesota and Detroit are undisclosed

So for this year's batch 5 years doesn't seem way off base on the deal
Last year (from my memory)
Chip Kelly has 5 years left at 6.5 mill a year
Andy Reid has 5yrs
Philbin has 4 yrs left
Marone in Buffalo and Trestman in Chicago both have 4 years left, I think that makes theirs 5 yrs originally
Andy Reid has 5yrs

Just doesn't seem like we are as out there as JLC maybe portrayed it.

[SolidSnake84]

I don't want to be Debbie Downer i swear, but am I the only one who is reminded just a little bit of the Jim Zorn hire? The situation sort of feels the same to me....a guy who all of a sudden is becoming head coach...

I think the results will be better than Zorn, but the way the situation has been handled so far makes me think of that....

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I don't want to be Debbie Downer i swear, but am I the only one who is reminded just a little bit of the Jim Zorn hire? The situation sort of feels the same to me....a guy who all of a sudden is becoming head coach...

I think the results will be better than Zorn, but the way the situation has been handled so far makes me think of that....

Gruden has been a solid contender for HC jobs this year and last year. Zorn was picked because no other options remained. That wasn't the case here because Bevel at least would have been an option to throw buckets of money at. I think an equivalent hire might have been the Dallas ST coach. Kinda out there, some reasons to think he might but overall not a strong candidate.

I don't get the knocks on Gruden, even as I sit with a wait and see approach. This guy, and most of the staff he is putting together, have won together at various stops along his football journey. Despite what JLC (and SS) seem to imply, the 5yr 20million isn't an outlier from contracts handed out and published in the last 2 years.

Will he be great, who knows, but to suggest this was close to a Zorn pick, or any other past Skins coach search seems a bit mindless to me.

(For history sake, hindsight tells us that Zorn was already on staff, we couldn't hire who DS probably wanted (Fassel), and ran out of other options, then they hired him.)

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Why are we always doing things differently from other teams? For 20 years we've tried to do things our own unique way...and for 20 years we've been losers. Maybe it's time to do things like other teams, such as giving a "normal" contract to a first-time HC.

Oh well.

Idk man but it sucks losing, if Jay gruden gets fired after 3 years or 4 Idk how anyone would follow the team anymore, in fact its getting harder and harder already

[That Guy]

the bad news in FA is rak is the #1 pass rusher on the market, and it's pretty well known. he's not JJ watt, but he's still pretty good.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by That Guy

the bad news in FA is rak is the #1 pass rusher on the market, and it's pretty well known. he's not JJ watt, but he's still pretty good.

very true..he will be targeted by teams, but i wouldn't pay him 11-12 per year. He isn't just a pass rusher though he drops in coverage too and very average at that. I know if he left it would be a big hole to fill.

[NYCskinfan82]

Question, since these coaches are coming back ILB & WR's does that mean they never got along with MS or this is normal leave a team and then come back.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Question, since these coaches are coming back ILB & WR's does that mean they never got along with MS or this is normal leave a team and then come back.

Here's what happened:

Ike Hilliard: "I'm the best coach in the game. When you try me with a sorry coach like Kyle, that's the result you going to get."

Erin Andrews: "That was awesome."

Kyle Shanahan: "Waaaah! Daddy, he hurt my feelings!"

Mike Shanahan: "Ike, you are in timeout. Go to Buffalo and don't come back for a year."