Taylor Effing Heinicke

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Dude I love TH. You can go back to last year when I spent weeks arguing that he isn’t as fragile as everyone thinks. I loooove TH. BUT if you think Russ is washed you’re crazy. He is coming off an injury. I would trade TH straight up for Russ in a nano second. Actually quicker than that.

Exactly. Wilson is injured and not close to 100%. But if you think Seattle would trade Wilson straight up for TH you're dreaming.

[SunnySide]

CPOE (completion percentage over expected) basically is a stat that looks at what the name says.

The worst are unsurprisingly Zach Wilson (-7.9), Trevor Lawrence (-6.5), Sam darnold (-5), followed by Winston, dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Siemian, Fields, then surprisingly Mahomes (-3.5)

Heinike is 8th BEST at +2.2. Now this stat isnt an end all be all as he has Bridgewater and Tua above him but I was surprised.

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I think Turner should get a lot of credit bc he puts Heinike in positions to succeed.

The short to intermediate plays where it is all designed to just get 1 guy open and have Heinike only have to look for that one guy.

If its a play where Heinike will have to read multiple routes and go through progressions, theres always an open dump out or release for him to hit.

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Heinike is such an enigma to me. Why havent defenses gone single high safety, shadow teh back and just play the box 20 yds from the LOS?

I keep waiting for this dink and dunk offense to be shut down.

Perhaps it has to a degree. We only put up 17 points last 2 games and thats with our offense executing the gameplan pretty welll.

We run a ton but those runs per avg arent impressive.

vs Raiders, we ran 30 times for 112 yds (3.7 avg). raiders avg 4.8 per run against our run stopping D.

vs Seattle ran it 43 times, 152 yd (3.5 avg), longest run was 17 yds

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I dont know my point, I dont really have a point but I guess Im confused by our success .. but then again can you say this is a successful offense? We won so its a yes .. but the offense is an enigma.

Have we just been fortunate lately on converting 3rd and shorts? Once we stop converting are we in trouble bc we have 2-3 drives that equal points but if one of those drives doesnt convert on 3rd and short, we punt.

I want to go back and look at our scoring drives and see how many relied on 2 or more 3rd and short conversions.

Am I a hater?

Honestly im just killing the last 20 mins of work and the clock just struck 5

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...oveExpectation

https://www.the33rdteam.com/cpoe-explained/

[AnonEmouse]

I think the YPC is a little misleading when everyone looks for 4y+. The thing to consider with anything 3.4 or more is on average that's a 1st down for every 3 carries (I know it's not literally). That's how our clock management is working. We're not looking for big play after big play (probably, aside from drops, why Mahomes has suffered this year), we're just looking for 1st down after 1st down. It's not that we're not looking for the big play, we're just not forcing it because we often don't need to.

[CRedskinsRule]

I don't like Greg Olsen the announcer, but this was a good interview spliced with Heinicke and Rivera.

https://youtu.be/ui22Y8pLhTI

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[MTK]

For his first year full time in the booth I think Olsen has been pretty good.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

CPOE (completion percentage over expected) basically is a stat that looks at what the name says.

The worst are unsurprisingly Zach Wilson (-7.9), Trevor Lawrence (-6.5), Sam darnold (-5), followed by Winston, dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Siemian, Fields, then surprisingly Mahomes (-3.5)

Heinike is 8th BEST at +2.2. Now this stat isnt an end all be all as he has Bridgewater and Tua above him but I was surprised.

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I think Turner should get a lot of credit bc he puts Heinike in positions to succeed.

The short to intermediate plays where it is all designed to just get 1 guy open and have Heinike only have to look for that one guy.

If its a play where Heinike will have to read multiple routes and go through progressions, theres always an open dump out or release for him to hit.

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Heinike is such an enigma to me. Why havent defenses gone single high safety, shadow teh back and just play the box 20 yds from the LOS?

I keep waiting for this dink and dunk offense to be shut down.

Perhaps it has to a degree. We only put up 17 points last 2 games and thats with our offense executing the gameplan pretty welll.

We run a ton but those runs per avg arent impressive.

vs Raiders, we ran 30 times for 112 yds (3.7 avg). raiders avg 4.8 per run against our run stopping D.

vs Seattle ran it 43 times, 152 yd (3.5 avg), longest run was 17 yds

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I dont know my point, I dont really have a point but I guess Im confused by our success .. but then again can you say this is a successful offense? We won so its a yes .. but the offense is an enigma.

Have we just been fortunate lately on converting 3rd and shorts? Once we stop converting are we in trouble bc we have 2-3 drives that equal points but if one of those drives doesnt convert on 3rd and short, we punt.

I want to go back and look at our scoring drives and see how many relied on 2 or more 3rd and short conversions.

Am I a hater?

Honestly im just killing the last 20 mins of work and the clock just struck 5

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...oveExpectation

https://www.the33rdteam.com/cpoe-explained/

At a certain point you just have to toss stats out the window and enjoy the ride.

[SunnySide]

https://youtu.be/k9QQr-WrDDA

These guys do a good job of breakdown Heinike's all 22.

This is vs Seattle. First play they look at highlights heinike's problems. Doesnt read the field, doesnt seem like he knows which defender he should be reading to dictate where he should go. hes head starts by looking left but seems to be pre snap determined to force the ball to Terry down the middle/right (whose double covered) bc if he was actually looking left he would have seen the playcall worked perfectly for an easy 10 yarder and first down.

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Radio is saying Heinike left guys open this Sunday.

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Even when heinike has a "good" game .. the all 22 shows he just inst reading plays, he isnt reading defenders, his throws are a second late and hes leaving open guys.

Even when the camera shows him looking from left to right .. I dont think hes actually reading and seeing the field as much as hes just going through the motions of "reading the field". hes not actively critically reading the field.

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The all 22 just is not favorable to him.

[CRedskinsRule]

I wanted TH to succeed, but this is a damning play

https://twitter.com/TaeNToddPodcast/...pP2aTwXqQ&s=19

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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I wanted TH to succeed, but this is a damning play

https://twitter.com/TaeNToddPodcast/...pP2aTwXqQ&s=19

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I Like him too and its a great feel good story but the Cinderella run will crash eventually.. He had a few of these where guys are wide open so it just shows that the Cowboys D isn't that great.. He just doesn't see the field well and that floater he throws is so bad. He's prob the starter the rest of the way but I was impressed with Allen Sunday.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

https://youtu.be/k9QQr-WrDDA

These guys do a good job of breakdown Heinike's all 22.

This is vs Seattle. First play they look at highlights heinike's problems. Doesnt read the field, doesnt seem like he knows which defender he should be reading to dictate where he should go. hes head starts by looking left but seems to be pre snap determined to force the ball to Terry down the middle/right (whose double covered) bc if he was actually looking left he would have seen the playcall worked perfectly for an easy 10 yarder and first down.

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Radio is saying Heinike left guys open this Sunday.

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Even when heinike has a "good" game .. the all 22 shows he just inst reading plays, he isnt reading defenders, his throws are a second late and hes leaving open guys.

Even when the camera shows him looking from left to right .. I dont think hes actually reading and seeing the field as much as hes just going through the motions of "reading the field". hes not actively critically reading the field.

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The all 22 just is not favorable to him.

He's an undrafted FA for a reason, great heart and a guy you want on the team but only as a backup. He's basically a poor mans Fitzmagic if u really think about it

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

he's an undrafted fa for a reason, great heart and a guy you want on the team but only as a backup. He's basically a poor mans fitzmagic if u really think about it

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Somehow we can afford Fitz but we still have the poor guy's version of him, oh to be a WFT fan.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I wanted TH to succeed, but this is a damning play

https://twitter.com/TaeNToddPodcast/...pP2aTwXqQ&s=19

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Feels like there's multiple plays like this every game.

Taylor might have a future as a backup in this league but definitely not as the starter. He just doesn't read the field.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Heinicke will never be able to face defenses that have a strong pass rush......he can't overcome slow starts.....

[skinsfaninok]

https://twitter.com/tiller56/status/...913575431?s=21

This is hard to watch… he literally steps into the throw and it skips to sims who was open..

He has one of the weakest arms ever


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[MTK]

I know there's one game left, but I think we can safely say now that TH is not the long term answer as the starter. Good backup and I hope he sticks around in that role, but his arm is simply too limited in terms of strength and accuracy.

Back to square one this offseason.