The official 2008 draft discussion thread

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This draft wasn't a total disaster. Fred Davis was a nice choice as a 2nd TE, and Malcolm Kelly was good value at number 51.

Devin Thomas is a draft pick thrown away...but being positive here, it's better to throw the 34th pick away than it is to throw the 21st pick away.

Also we moved up into the 4th, and that gives us another shot at a potential starter, so the front office deserves it's credit on making a great deal with Atlanta.

At the end of day one, the Redskins are no better off then when they entered it, and every other team in the NFC East is. That's the troubling part.

were definitly better...our ofense couldnt score points last year. hopefully now we can score more. and our defense was ranked 8th in the league, so we just need some consistency...

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This draft wasn't a total disaster. Fred Davis was a nice choice as a 2nd TE, and Malcolm Kelly was good value at number 51.

Devin Thomas is a draft pick thrown away...but being positive here, it's better to throw the 34th pick away than it is to throw the 21st pick away.

Also we moved up into the 4th, and that gives us another shot at a potential starter, so the front office deserves it's credit on making a great deal with Atlanta.

At the end of day one, the Redskins are no better off then when they entered it, and every other team in the NFC East is. That's the troubling part.

lol...you can't be serious. Do you know something we don't know?

[NYCskinfan82]

well i guess Zorn found out Mix is not the answer, Moss better not get injured he will be replaced, this might be Thrash's last season, we need DL and OL help

[Schneed10]

I'm in love with all three of these picks.

First off, it shows that our coaches and GM aren't smoking crack and drinking the Anthony Mix Kool Aid. They recognize that we need serious weapons. They're right.

Santana Moss, as good as he is, doesn't score enough TDs. Same with ARE. Down in the red zone these guys disappear. Nevermind the fact that Moss is getting older and that without these WRs, James Thrash or Anthony Mix would be our #3 WR (horrible).

Fred Davis gives us a second TE weapon, another big body for making yards after the catch.

We got serious value out of our picks. You guys are crazy.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm in love with all three of these picks.

First off, it shows that our coaches and GM aren't smoking crack and drinking the Anthony Mix Kool Aid. They recognize that we need serious weapons. They're right.

Santana Moss, as good as he is, doesn't score enough TDs. Same with ARE. Down in the red zone these guys disappear. Nevermind the fact that Moss is getting older and that without these WRs, James Thrash or Anthony Mix would be our #3 WR (horrible).

Fred Davis gives us a second TE weapon, another big body for making yards after the catch.

We got serious value out of our picks. You guys are crazy.

Alright, if I give you Davis and Kelly, can you come up with any sort of defense for the Thomas pick with every other receiver (except Avery) available?

Would we not have been better off with Jordy Nelson?

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Alright, if I give you Davis and Kelly, can you come up with any sort of defense for the Thomas pick with every other receiver (except Avery) available?

Would we not have been better off with Jordy Nelson?

GTripp, wouldn't you have more of a lowdown on Thomas since you're in MI?

What about him don't you like? All I know is that he's a bit raw, but he's got the most upside out of the rest of the group. Didn't he lead the Big 10 in receiving?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Alright, if I give you Davis and Kelly, can you come up with any sort of defense for the Thomas pick with every other receiver (except Avery) available?

Would we not have been better off with Jordy Nelson?

I think Jordy was a huge reach at # 36. Time will tell on Thomas. The FO must not have had the DL or OL available rated better than the slots we picked. I think the theme is "value". Was Thomas a value at # 34, based on what most teams and analysts had, I believe so. Same thing with Davis and Kelly. Having Davis and Cooley could create some serious mismatch problems in a 3 WR set in the run game unless the opponent has very good coverage LBs.

Again, I'll reserve judgement until tomorrow. We still have serious needs at DL, CB, S depth, LB depth, and T depth & Guard. Hopefully we'll find value to fill those needs

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Alright, if I give you Davis and Kelly, can you come up with any sort of defense for the Thomas pick with every other receiver (except Avery) available?

Would we not have been better off with Jordy Nelson?

GTripp, I understand you have a blog, and I understand that you know statistics, which apparently makes you really smart, but I gotta call you on this. You don't know what you're talking about on Thomas.

The guy is strong. He sheds tacklers when running with the ball, which is very important in a WCO when running slants and such. Seeing him on tape, he CONSISTENTLY makes plays week in and week out. He cuts with fluidity and doesn't lose speed coming in and out of breaks, which is something that makes or break a WR at the next level when they face much tighter coverage.

I'm not a measurables guy. But if you like that kind of thing, he's a 4.4 WR who stands 6 feet 2.

And the "short body of work" argument is just retarded. You can't put up 1260 yards over the course of 13 games, in a RUN ORIENTED OFFENSE, if you're not talented.

He was the best WR available in this draft.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

The more I think about the WR picks I start to think about Moss' hamstring injuries in NY that lead to him coming here for Coles. He had a bruised heel this year and that awful game that he pulled himself out of. The WR picks don't bode well for his long-term future here. ARE will be fine as he's more versatile is a solid slot or # 3 and can focus more on his return game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The more I think about the WR picks I start to think about Moss' hamstring injuries in NY that lead to him coming here for Coles. He had a bruised heel this year and that awful game that he pulled himself out of. The WR picks don't bode well for his long-term future here. ARE will be fine as he's more versatile is a solid slot or # 3 and can focus more on his return game.

I don't think I'd go that far, Moss is a long-term 'Skin. His contract doesn't make it feasible to cut him until 2010, and even then it would only be wise if he totally sucked by then.

[bigm29]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The more I think about the WR picks I start to think about Moss' hamstring injuries in NY that lead to him coming here for Coles. He had a bruised heel this year and that awful game that he pulled himself out of. The WR picks don't bode well for his long-term future here. ARE will be fine as he's more versatile is a solid slot or # 3 and can focus more on his return game.

Moss is going to have pressure on him this year, or at least in the next couple years, for his job, so he's going to have to perform well.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

GTripp, I understand you have a blog, and I understand that you know statistics, which apparently makes you really smart, but I gotta call you on this. You don't know what you're talking about on Thomas.

The guy is strong. He sheds tacklers when running with the ball, which is very important in a WCO when running slants and such. Seeing him on tape, he CONSISTENTLY makes plays week in and week out. He cuts with fluidity and doesn't lose speed coming in and out of breaks, which is something that makes or break a WR at the next level when they face much tighter coverage.

I'm not a measurables guy. But if you like that kind of thing, he's a 4.4 WR who stands 6 feet 2.

And the "short body of work" argument is just retarded. You can't put up 1260 yards over the course of 13 games, in a RUN ORIENTED OFFENSE, if you're not talented.

He was the best WR available in this draft.

So which card are you playing here? The draft is a crapshoot, I don't know what I'm talking about, or speed and strength is all that matters for a receiver?

If it's the latter, I'm calling you on this. If the former, then I'm willing to play the wait and see game. However, the methodology still sucks.

At best, it becomes a "we did okay, but we should have done better" kind of thing. That's not what we should be working towards with the first selection of the draft.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So which card are you playing here? The draft is a crapshoot, I don't know what I'm talking about, or speed and strength is all that matters for a receiver?

If it's the latter, I'm calling you on this. If the former, then I'm willing to play the wait and see game. However, the methodology still sucks.

At best, it becomes a "we did okay, but we should have done better" kind of thing. That's not what we should be working towards with the first selection of the draft.

With regard to Thomas is it true that he drops passes? I know I heard the guys on ESPN mention this as a concern. They also said he's great w/ the ball in his hands but that sounds a lot like that guy I've been watching the last few years... what's his name... MOSS!!!

[EXoffender]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm in love with all three of these picks.

First off, it shows that our coaches and GM aren't smoking crack and drinking the Anthony Mix Kool Aid. They recognize that we need serious weapons. They're right.

Santana Moss, as good as he is, doesn't score enough TDs. Same with ARE. Down in the red zone these guys disappear. Nevermind the fact that Moss is getting older and that without these WRs, James Thrash or Anthony Mix would be our #3 WR (horrible).

Fred Davis gives us a second TE weapon, another big body for making yards after the catch.

We got serious value out of our picks. You guys are crazy.

Where or when do we play these guys? It's a hard sell in this league that "everyone on the active roster are starters". Guys know that that their contracts are based on opportunities to become a star. You can't be a star if you're sharing the ball with 6 other players. Good thing is we don't have any selfish ball hogs. You just wonder if the writing's on the wall. On the other hand, we only have two contributing WRs on the roster and one TE. Really the only guys who have to worry is Thrash (future positional coach), Mix, Yoder (seemed to score a TD every time he caught the ball), and any other WR/TE on injured reserve last year. We just revamped.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm in love with all three of these picks.

First off, it shows that our coaches and GM aren't smoking crack and drinking the Anthony Mix Kool Aid. They recognize that we need serious weapons. They're right.

Santana Moss, as good as he is, doesn't score enough TDs. Same with ARE. Down in the red zone these guys disappear. Nevermind the fact that Moss is getting older and that without these WRs, James Thrash or Anthony Mix would be our #3 WR (horrible).

Fred Davis gives us a second TE weapon, another big body for making yards after the catch.

We got serious value out of our picks. You guys are crazy.

Totes.

Good football teams have a LOT of good football players. Hopefully, we just got three of them. We still need a bunch more, and it's going to to take some time.

The good part is now we get these guys in immediately to start learning the system that Zorn is going to put together. I tend to think that we could really use an older vet at WR who is a high character type with lots of experience in the WCO. These guys are going to need a mentor who is a player to help their learning curve-ARE and Moss included.

Remember, Campbell is a mobile player and if our OL starts to collapse he's going to do some improvising with his feat. The passes come out quick too, which should nullify the pass rush somewhat. These are value picks who are not overpaid.

Our defense is looking extremely suspect, but when you have as many holes as we do, you can't fix everything with three players. We have passing game options now and that is clearly the priority for a Jim Zorn coached team. We are going to plug some other holes outside of the draft ala Pete Kendall I suspect as well. Let's just see how this plays out. I'm buying it so far, but then again I don't have high expectations for this year, so I'm taking this all with a grain of salt.