The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I feel like a lot of people have changed their opinion on the whole trade picks to get your QB idea. I don't remember such a groundswell of support for Cutler

Cutler? WTF? lol. No I don't think so. Picking up Cutler would remind me too much of Grossman2, Orton would be Grossman3. I'm sure stats will be thrown my way but why would we want another Chicago reject?

I'd actually rather trade draft picks for Brian Hoyer back up to Brady in NE, or Flynn. I think the team will try to make a run a Flynn especially if he's a FA (which I think he will be). Neither has played much and they are somewhat unknown compared to Cutler, but atleast they were sitting behind bonified QB's learning what it takes and how to play instead of being thrown on the field to learn by themselves which hasn't really done them a great service.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Interestingly, Jason Campbell was not great but at least he would have been cheap and wouldn't have cost us multiple draft picks and years of agony over McNabb, Rexy, and some guy named Beck. Bad choices come back to haunt you. But yes -- now we need a real QB.


My choices in order of preference:
1) Bradford (if this happens, would be ecstatic).
2) Luck (if Colts pass on him so Peyton and rookie get along better)
3) RG3 - I'm still skeptical on running QBs, but does seem smarter & accurate..
4) Flynn - one game wonder, sure, but he still looked better than Rex ever did.
5) Orton - doesn't seem to win, but his numbers always seem to look good
6) Hoyer - Wouldn't be excited about this, but rumors here say he's highly regarded


Bradford would be wonderful, because we could land a proven franchise QB. Our O-line and WR core sucks - but is probably better than the Rams. Think he would do well here. I've read Clausen's name thrown around, but wouldn't want him here - seems like a bust already.

id be happy with bradford, but i wouldnt say hes a "proven franchise QB". hes far from proven. he had a decent rookie season and was injured much of this season. all that he has proven is that he can be decent with a shitty team. he has great potential though.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Bubba305-ST21-

When did I ever say i think MS may lose his job? I believe in him and I think he knows what he is doing, I just want a good cornerstone qb.

No you didn't but the RGIII crowd in general. Basically these were comments being made recently by many different people who feel the Skins "must" do whatever it takes to get RGIII. I'm just lumping you in with the other RGIII fans. Sorry.

You know whats funny? throughout the season fans were clammering about Luck and how the Skins needed to do whatever it took to get him. I wanted Barkley. Then when the Colts were on the "Suck for Luck" campaign and we realized Luck was out of our reach, fans jumped on the Barkley bandwagon, and I said we would end up with RGIII who might be better. Now that Barkley is off the board and RGIII has moved up fans are in sorta a shark frenzi about RGIII and how we "have" to get him or else. I'm kinda turned off of RGIII due to the frenzi.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Cutler? WTF? lol. No I don't think so. Picking up Cutler would remind me too much of Grossman2, Orton would be Grossman3. I'm sure stats will be thrown my way but why would we want another Chicago reject?

I'd actually rather trade draft picks for Brian Hoyer back up to Brady in NE, or Flynn. I think the team will try to make a run a Flynn especially if he's a FA (which I think he will be). Neither has played much and they are somewhat unknown compared to Cutler, but atleast they were sitting behind bonified QB's learning what it takes and how to play instead of being thrown on the field to learn by themselves which hasn't really done them a great service.

A) When did he say Cutler was coming here now? That was from 2 years ago and B) Don't insult Cutler by calling him Grossman2

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

you know, someone on here recommended brandon weeden which I shot down, but if you think about it, I shouldn't, and nor should we, shoot down the possibility of getting him, regardless of his age, because he may enter the league as a 28 year old, but, Kurt Warner also did the same thing, and it's QB, a position where guys will play until their in that late 30's, early 40's. Vinny Testerverde played until he was like 46 or something.

I was the one who asked about him simply because he looked good in the bowl game against none other then Luck.

I could be totally wrong but I see yes an older QB but I also see a more mature, safer with the ball, knoweledgable QB. I think the older people get the better decisions they make, the question is can their bodies hold up to their decision making. lol. The good news is Weeden has not been beaten up in the NFL yet at 28. I wouldn't have a problem with Flynn and Weeden as our QB's next year and possibly a UDFA to compete for the PS spot with Crompton.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.

Dang, people complain about the team being too old, now they complain the team is too young. There really is no pleasing anyone. I don't know about Philli but NE used that theory from the beginning. They got younger, faster, and healthier in a short period of time. It was after they had their team somewhat built that Darth Hoodie would pick up maybe 1 or 2 FA's he felt still had something in them.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

A) When did he say Cutler was coming here now? That was from 2 years ago and B) Don't insult Cutler by calling him Grossman2

Smoots comment might have been refering to two yrs ago, but recently Cutlers name came up yet again on this site. Something about the coaching staff supposedly wanting him two yrs ago and might still want him and try for him again.

and to be honest... I don't see much difference between the two. Insult or not he's not that much better in my book which is why he was traded away. For me Grossman, Orton, and Cutler all having played for the Bears and having been benched, traded, or whatever are all pretty much the same. I'd rather we pass and go for some other teams QB's.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Cousins wasn't a bad QB in college. He's not RG3, Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley or Landry Jones, but he was fairly consistent. When most people view Cousins as a quarterback, they see him as a developmental prospect. In his senior year at Michigan State, he throw completed 267 of of 419 for 331 with a completion percentage of 63.7 with 25 TDs 10 INTs ending with a 145.1 QB rating.

His numbers in college actually wasn't bad at all. He's exactly what Colt McCoy was in his final year at Texas. But Cousins would be anywhere from a 3rd to a 5th round selection.

He has a good arm, good mobility, and is a great leader. Went 22-5 the last 2 seasons, he wins! I like him a lot if we could get him with our 2nd round pick. I love RGIII but I don't want to trade the farm for him, when we have plenty of other players in this draft that can help us at O-line, CB, Safety, ILB, WR., etc.

*If Shanny/Allen do decide to trade for RGIII, I will be on board with it, and all in. Just wouldnt be my 1st choice. If Cleveland doesn't draft him I will chug a record amount of beers.

[MTK]

Cutler and Grossman shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

He has a good arm, good mobility, and is a great leader. Went 22-5 the last 2 seasons, he wins! I like him a lot if we could get him with our 2nd round pick. I love RGIII but I don't want to trade the farm for him, when we have plenty of other players in this draft that can help us at O-line, CB, Safety, ILB, WR., etc.

*If Shanny/Allen do decide to trade for RGIII, I will be on board with it, and all in. Just wouldnt be my 1st choice. If Cleveland doesn't draft him I will chug a record amount of beers.

The thing I like most about Cousins is that he plays his best in crunch time. He led a beautiful drive with time expiring in their bowl game and that wasn't the only time he did that as a Senior.

He has good size, a good arm, and he's athletic enough to play in the NFL. I think he would be a very good pick in the 3rd round.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.

I think you may have skimmed over the two qualifying statements I made as conditions to going with the draft strategy I proposed.

First, I would do this if we sign Matt Flynn.

Second, I would do this if we have a good FA crop. Let's say, for example, that we were able to land QB Matt Flynn, WR Vincent Jackson, and C Chris Myers.

That would put us in a position to draft fewer players overall but more higher round players who could be difference makers for this team. I might even want to trade more picks to draft two first rounders or three second rounders. I want a draft class that looks something like this: OG David DeCastro, RB LaMichael James, FS Markelle Martin, OT Ricky Wagner, ILB Tank Carder. As far as I'm concerned, that could be our entire draft.

That would add eight good players to our team. What's wrong with that scenario?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

A) When did he say Cutler was coming here now? That was from 2 years ago and B) Don't insult Cutler by calling him Grossman2

Gracias

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Interestingly, Jason Campbell was not great but at least he would have been cheap and wouldn't have cost us multiple draft picks and years of agony over McNabb, Rexy, and some guy named Beck. Bad choices come back to haunt you. But yes -- now we need a real QB.


My choices in order of preference:
1) Bradford (if this happens, would be ecstatic).
2) Luck (if Colts pass on him so Peyton and rookie get along better)
3) RG3 - I'm still skeptical on running QBs, but does seem smarter & accurate..
4) Flynn - one game wonder, sure, but he still looked better than Rex ever did.
5) Orton - doesn't seem to win, but his numbers always seem to look good
6) Hoyer - Wouldn't be excited about this, but rumors here say he's highly regarded


Bradford would be wonderful, because we could land a proven franchise QB. Our O-line and WR core sucks - but is probably better than the Rams. Think he would do well here. I've read Clausen's name thrown around, but wouldn't want him here - seems like a bust already.

I think Bradford would be a perfect fit here, do have concerns about his health though

I don't think trading for Luck would necessarily be much more difficult than RG3

I don't think I'd label RG3 a "running QB" but I do think the gap between him and Luck is greater than others do

Not against getting Flynn that shouldn't be our only QB move then

Would tolerate Orton as a stopgap/backup as long as we draft a QB (or two)

I haven't seen enough of him, but there is a lot (A LOT) of buzz about him. Rumors of him coming here, of him returning home to Ohio to play for the Browns, of the Chiefs even showing interest. I've talked to a few scouts who have said Hoyer is better than Flynn. I don't know

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.

I love the idea of having over half of the team in their early 20's. This is one thing that a lot of 'skins fans complained about when Gibbs was here last - the team was one of the oldest teams in the league. I love the idea of building through the draft and adding just the right touch of young free agents. It's exactly what we should be doing. It tells me if most of those draft picks of Allen and Shanahan make the team, then the front office is doing a great job with their picks. So far, the majority have turned out to contribute.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Yeah, but Cassell is not a bum, and he never looked as good as Flynn did. There are a lot of guys who can get hot and throw for over 300 yards and 3-4 TDs, but 480 and 6? Damn!

You forgot to mention the 7 or 8 turnovers he's had in just two games. That puts Rex to shame.

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I think most fans want RGIII, me included, but there's nothing wrong with being worried about what he will cost. If we give up 4 or more high picks, and he doesn't pan out we're going to be in for some next level pain and misery.

Which is why I don't think Shanny sells the farm just to get him. I think he stays the course, moves down and drafts a QB with our 2nd pick (or first depending on how far we move)