Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I've said it before but i really strongly feel that Shanahan could get fired if the skins lose out. 3-13 even with a franchise QB won't save him.

Every game cannot come down to being a shootout. Our defense just can't stop anybody. Opponents can run, pass, it doesn't matter. Our offense is finally respectable but I don't think anyone can respect the skins as long as ou defense is this bad.

Unless somehow the defense is changed and starts playing well, I don't see us winning very many games, and I still believe we finish between 3 and 6 wins solely because of the horrible defense.

So your vote is a wait to see what happens this year? Seems to be alot of that. All the people that vote no are looking at the question as should he be fired rite now. After this season the landslide results will be more of a level playing field. Because as Solid Snake points out the team will win between 3-6 games tops.
Edit: the question should have been "should MS get fired if the Redskins win 6 games again this year"? The current question is misleading. G-Tripp points out in the initial post that he isnt in favor of mid season firings. He is wait and see. Also after the season being an option. Alot of people just read it and go "fire him now are you crazy? Your stupid!" At least Solid Snake is giving a little thought behind his opinion.

Edit: before the usual suspects jump all over me i mean alittle thought behind the question at hand not your answers.
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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So your vote is a wait to see what happens this year? Seems to be alot of that. All the people that vote no are looking at the question as should he be fired rite now. After this season the landslide results will be more of a level playing field. Because as Solid Snake points out the team will win between 3-6 games tops.
Edit: the question should have been "should MS get fired if the Redskins win 6 games again this year"? The current question is misleading. G-Tripp points out in the initial post that he isnt in favor of mid season firings. He is wait and see. Also after the season being an option. Alot of people just read it and go "fire him now are you crazy? Your stupid!" At least Solid Snake is giving a little thought behind his opinion.

Edit: before the usual suspects jump all over me i mean alittle thought behind the question at hand not your answers.
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First bold: Im pretty sure we can read the options, but thanks for calling us all stupid for not agreeing with you. Thats always the way to win a debate.

Second bold: "Usual suspects jump all over me"... Really? Thats where you are going with this. That you are somehow a victim and we are somehow suspects in a trial here. We know the question being asked, and you are not a victim for taking part in this debate just like im not.

We have a difference of opinion. You are not Rodney King and I am not the LA police department (although I did live in So Cal when I was a teenager if that helps your case against me). That insanity isnt going to fly with me. I am completely surprised you are even pulling this card.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Ditto.

This thread has gone on longer than a game day thread. So like the game day threads, we should close it immediately and make the Ho Ho Haslett has to go thread be our main fire coaches thread. Just the want to fire Shanahan shows how impatient as a fanbase we are. Can you imagine if our team was the Raiders or Lions or Chiefs how pissed off we'd be...

That is the quote of the week. Usually gameday threads are limited to the day of the game, but hey, who cares, right? As long as its got some good old lets fire Mike Shanahan in it, me punch Gtripp and goat will post in there day or night. AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So your vote is a wait to see what happens this year? Seems to be alot of that. All the people that vote no are looking at the question as should he be fired rite now. After this season the landslide results will be more of a level playing field. Because as Solid Snake points out the team will win between 3-6 games tops.
Edit: the question should have been "should MS get fired if the Redskins win 6 games again this year"? The current question is misleading. G-Tripp points out in the initial post that he isnt in favor of mid season firings. He is wait and see. Also after the season being an option. Alot of people just read it and go "fire him now are you crazy? Your stupid!" At least Solid Snake is giving a little thought behind his opinion.

Edit: before the usual suspects jump all over me i mean alittle thought behind the question at hand not your answers.
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I'd say with how well RG3 is playing, and he sure isn't playing like a rookie, if 6 wins is ALL mike shanahan can get with this all star, then he needs to be politely shown the door. There are far more coaches that have done far more with far less. Mike Shanahan is not a winning coach in this league anymore, and if it takes more than just this season to figure that out, RG3 will just have one less season to seriously contend.

As long as Mike Shanahan is the coach, again, mho, RG3 is playing Paul Sheldon to Mikes' Annie Wilkes, and is lying in the bed hiding pills under his pillow right after being hobbled by the regime led by the overrated Mike Shanahan.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Even when teams scored 21+ points against us last year they still ran more (I think around 55%) vs. when they score 21+ against us this year (41%). These are in losses. So teams ran against us more last year. I'm sure there were many reasons for their less aggressive approach. But I believe one of them was our own lack of offensive firepower.

I'm confused about the idea of a team A being "less aggressive" than they could be on offense, when team B's offense is weak.

I think Team A's goal should be to try and score a TD every series like Patriots '07 or us in '91. (Until the game is out of reach, like say 21 pts in the 4th quarter.) And easing off your normal offense when you have a small lead is just as bad as "prevent defense", in letting an opponent back in the game, IMO. Sure maybe mix your strategy a little, but keep doing what got you the lead in the first place! On offense and D!

I can see the following reasons to be "less aggressive". But none of this has to do with an opponent's anemic offense, IMO :

1. It's the end of the game. You have the lead, and your odds are better to run out the clock than score again.

2. Your defense plays lights out but tires quickly, so you want more time of possession (while still trying to score) to give them a rest.

3. Maybe you planned to be "ball control", or maybe your OL and an RB like Morris unexpectedly stepped up. But your offense is simply built to play "less aggressive" rather than a two minute drill offense so you're always grinding it out.

I can see two reasons to be "less aggressive" than you could be, if the opponent's offense sucks. But I don't agree with them.:

1. Field position. But I think that pales in comparison to giving your offense the best chance to score. And aren't you shorting yourself in the long haul, by not being aggressive as you could be and getting the most yards?

2. You're up 21+ points in the 4th, and just being classy not running up the score. But I don't think that's not really about just the other team's O. Peyton may be more worrisome than Sanchez when they're behind, but I don't think you can rest on any offense in the NFL differently enough to matter. Anything can happen the last couple drives.

So what am I missing, when I don't understand about being "less aggressive" when the other team's O sucks? In this case, SS, are you just saying other teams were being merciful to us, or playing TOP to rest their D to keep us down? Or something else?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

First bold: Im pretty sure we can read the options, but thanks for calling us all stupid for not agreeing with you. Thats always the way to win a debate.

Second bold: "Usual suspects jump all over me"... Really? Thats where you are going with this. That you are somehow a victim and we are somehow suspects in a trial here. We know the question being asked, and you are not a victim for taking part in this debate just like im not.

We have a difference of opinion. You are not Rodney King and I am not the LA police department (although I did live in So Cal when I was a teenager if that helps your case against me). That insanity isnt going to fly with me. I am completely surprised you are even pulling this card.

Did I use the word stupid? I have never called anybody stupid on this board nor have i insinuated it and i take offense to the fact that you twisted what im saying into such nonsense. I was saying that yes or no arent good answers. I want to know at what point you might start to doubt him. I. E. 2013 and were 3-5 again?
Wtf are you talking about Rodney King for? Lmao.


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I'd say with how well RG3 is playing, and he sure isn't playing like a rookie, if 6 wins is ALL mike shanahan can get with this all star, then he needs to be politely shown the door. There are far more coaches that have done far more with far less. Mike Shanahan is not a winning coach in this league anymore, and if it takes more than just this season to figure that out, RG3 will just have one less season to seriously contend.

As long as Mike Shanahan is the coach, again, mho, RG3 is playing Paul Sheldon to Mikes' Annie Wilkes, and is lying in the bed hiding pills under his pillow right after being hobbled by the regime led by the overrated Mike Shanahan.

Thanks for understanding my point Apparently i was really saying everybody is stupid and they treat me like Rodney King. Haha. That is awesome. Wow. Were talking about a game rite?


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I'm confused about the idea of a team A being "less aggressive" than they could be on offense, when team B's offense is weak.

I think Team A's goal should be to try and score a TD every series like Patriots '07 or us in '91. (Until the game is out of reach, like say 21 pts in the 4th quarter.) And easing off your normal offense when you have a small lead is just as bad as "prevent defense", in letting an opponent back in the game, IMO. Sure maybe mix your strategy a little, but keep doing what got you the lead in the first place! On offense and D!

I can see the following reasons to be "less aggressive". But none of this has to do with an opponent's anemic offense, IMO :

1. It's the end of the game. You have the lead, and your odds are better to run out the clock than score again.

2. Your defense plays lights out but tires quickly, so you want more time of possession (while still trying to score) to give them a rest.

3. Maybe you planned to be "ball control", or maybe your OL and an RB like Morris unexpectedly stepped up. But your offense is simply built to play "less aggressive" rather than a two minute drill offense so you're always grinding it out.

I can see two reasons to be "less aggressive" than you could be, if the opponent's offense sucks. But I don't agree with them.:

1. Field position. But I think that pales in comparison to giving your offense the best chance to score. And aren't you shorting yourself in the long haul, by not being aggressive as you could be and getting the most yards?

2. You're up 21+ points in the 4th, and just being classy not running up the score. But I don't think that's not really about just the other team's O. Peyton may be more worrisome than Sanchez when they're behind, but I don't think you can rest on any offense in the NFL differently enough to matter. Anything can happen the last couple drives.

So what am I missing, when I don't understand about being "less aggressive" when the other team's O sucks? In this case, SS, are you just saying other teams were being merciful to us, or playing TOP to rest their D to keep us down? Or something else?

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
Great post.


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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

That is the quote of the week. Usually gameday threads are limited to the day of the game, but hey, who cares, right? As long as its got some good old lets fire Mike Shanahan in it, me punch Gtripp and goat will post in there day or night. AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.

Your my boy Blue!
L to the O to the L.


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[punch it in]

Skinzman if you look again at my post I said,
Alot of people just read it(the question) and go "fire him now, are you crazy? You are stupid!"
Notice the quotes. I was actually pointing out that kind of black and white - dont want to hear your reasons or opinions - calling someones opinion stupid - response is not what i personally want to hear. I want to hear why and or when you will want to see MS go. Or if u love the guy and never want to see him go is fine too.



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[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Being realistic, this franchise is at least two full offseasons away from building a winner. The trade for RG3 was absolutely the key move to give fans a foundation of hope, but there are still a ton of other holes to fill. IMO, the last thing this franchise needs is another head coaching change. I would prefer to limit Shanny's power on the personnel side, and bring in a GM that has a real say during the offseason.

With Mike coaching or in the FO this franchise will never produce a competitive team. In fact, I don't think Mike will ever have a winning season as HC again.

We are arguably the worst coached team in pro football. It's so sad and disappointing to see the talent we have go to waste week in week out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Goat

With Mike coaching or in the FO this franchise will never produce a competitive team. In fact, I don't think Mike will ever have a winning season as HC again.

We are arguably the worst coached team in pro football. It's so sad and disappointing to see the talent we have go to waste week in week out.

Are you watching the same team I am? What talent?

[skinsfaninok]

This question won't be such a laugh after we drop another 5-11 season. How many coaches last in the NFL with a record like that every year?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's really just six guys as I voted yes for a good laugh

The funny thing is I don't feel like those of us who see the Shanahan era for what it really is are ahead of the curve so to speak. The results are so obvious, the poor coaching so flagrant, I think this is a rare phenomenon where you have people becoming fans of a person over a team. Sort of like a cult of personality in political/historical terms.

But there's plenty of mystery to go around. Mike shows nothing on or off the field to engender, let alone deserve, a cult of personality. What I'm really starting to wonder is if the cult mentality exists outside TWP, or if most fans elsewhere are seeing things clearly already?

It's tough for me to gauge cuz there just aren't a lot of Skins fans out west.