Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by calia

The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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To be fair, teams will always screw over players and often don't show the same loyalty. That being said, it sucks to see players like that or for example Brady always taking below QB market money to help their teams be competitive.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

To be fair, teams will always screw over players and often don't show the same loyalty. That being said, it sucks to see players like that or for example Brady always taking below QB market money to help their teams be competitive.

Do you think Brady would take below market if his wife didn't earn more than he did?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by calia

The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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I would have to look but I think Kerrigan and others have gotten their extensions and moved forward with the team. Like it was pointed out ALOT of these holdouts have as much to do with the expiring CBA as any other reason that may be floated out. We are not the only team having abnormal holdouts this season.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by calia

The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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Because guys only do that if it is going to result in championships. Nobody is taking a pay cut to help a team go 8-8 instead of 6-10.

[calia]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Because guys only do that if it is going to result in championships. Nobody is taking a pay cut to help a team go 8-8 instead of 6-10.

Do you think we're an 8-8 team with Trent? If everyone stays healthy (a big if, I know), I think we fare better.

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by calia

The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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Look at our owner. He doesn't take care of the players the way some owners do. Yes, he pays big but he isn't exactly known for his locker room affection. Players aren't going to miss out on millions of dollars for somebody they don't respect.

In fact I think a lot of the players only play hard for Gruden, and don't really care for the higher ups.

[Ruhskins]

At this point, I don't care about Trent. I care more about Schreff's deal not being done. Unfortunately, this has A LOT to do with the student CBA expiring. This is going to push a lot of big time players to pull a Kirk Cousins and do anything and everything to get to free agency.

[skinsfan69]

There have to be guys that are going to be released that are better than Christain, and maybe even Penn. I can't get over how weak Christian is. Has the guy ever been in the weight room?

[Buffalo Bob]

I remember when the 49ers won 10 or more games for 16 straight seasons from 1983-1998. They constantly had good offensive line play despite rarely drafting players with high picks. 2 time pro bowler, Jesse Sapolu who played both guard and center for 15 years was drafted in the 11th round. They got lineman off the waiver wire, plugged them in and they played well. I thought Callahan was supposed to be a top notch O-line coach, what is the Redskin's problem?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I remember when the 49ers won 10 or more games for 16 straight seasons from 1983-1998. They constantly had good offensive line play despite rarely drafting players with high picks. 2 time pro bowler, Jesse Sapolu who played both guard and center for 15 years was drafted in the 11th round. They got lineman off the waiver wire, plugged them in and they played well. I thought Callahan was supposed to be a top notch O-line coach, what is the Redskin's problem?

This is the year for Callahan to earn his money. I will say again that I think Flowers has improved at the OG slot, particularly for run blocking. The question will be if Penn, Christian or waiver pickup OT is going to be decent enough.

The other side of the coin is that the Vikings didn't have a stellar line, and I don't think Denver did either, but I don't know that for sure. This will probably be the best line Keenum has been behind even without Trent. Haskins has shown he needs to be protected, but Keenum made his living in Minnesota after the pocket broke down. Of course the NFC East has some of the best defensive lines too

[FrenchSkin]

Sheehan reports the Pats offered their 2020 1st, and the Skins said it's not enough !!!!

To me that's GREAT news !
It means there'd be a price that would be enough, it means they listen to legit offers, it means they want more than a late 1st round pick, it means a 1st+ is likely to be offered! Love it!!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Sheehan reports the Pats offered their 2020 1st, and the Skins said it's not enough !!!!

To me that's GREAT news !
It means there'd be a price that would be enough, it means they listen to legit offers, it means they want more than a late 1st round pick, it means a 1st+ is likely to be offered! Love it!!!

I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.

I beg to disagree, I think Sheehan doesn't rush to break news, he rarely breaks news, and/so when he does he usually is accurate.

So I do think his report is legit, and I think putting out there the news that the Pats were willing to give a 1st could make other teams think about doing the same.

I know NFL's FOs aren't regular fans, but tell me knowing Belichik and Cie were OK with giving a 1st isn't going to legitimate the idea that TW is worth a 1st in the eyes of the league ? It sure would in the eyes of many fans, and in some instances perception is reality. I'd say setting market value is one of these instances.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I beg to disagree, I think Sheehan doesn't rush to break news, he rarely breaks news, and/so when he does he usually is accurate.

So I do think his report is legit, and I think putting out there the news that the Pats were willing to give a 1st could make other teams think about doing the same.

I know NFL's FOs aren't regular fans, but tell me knowing Belichik and Cie were OK with giving a 1st isn't going to legitimate the idea that TW is worth a 1st in the eyes of the league ? It sure would in the eyes of many fans, and in some instances perception is reality. I'd say setting market value is one of these instances.

If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.

I don't care what the rumors are, I think the ceiling for Trent is a 2nd, especially from the Patriots. Like the above says he isn't mid 20's and doesn't play 16 games a year. He probably doesn't have a lot of tread left on his tires, he isn't playing another 5-6 years.