Campbell's numbers dont lie

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell was not sacked and threw no INTs in Week 8!

Cutler:
WK 8 - 17/30 (56.7%), 225 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 66.7 rating, 32 rush yds
TOTAL: 153/239 (64.0%), 1,677 yds, 11 TD, 11 INT, 80.8 rating, 92 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 8 - 20/35 (57.1%), 265 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 100.3 rating, 6 rush yds
TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 8 - *BYE*
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Cutler (1,677) Campbell (1,481) Sanchez (1,443)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (8)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (80.8), Sanchez (67.9)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (92), Sanchez(60)


Week 8 Campbell overview:
At this point in the season, Campbell and Cutler have had their bye weeks, Sanchez has played in 8 games to their 7, yet still comes in with the least stats in all categories; only Cutler has more INTs, saving Sanchez from the basement in every stat I'm tracking.

Both Cutler and Sanchez were on the losing side of the scoreboards in Week 8. Cutler had no TDs and another INT, with a poor performance against the Browns. Sanchez had a better game than Cutler with a pair of TD passes and decent yardage, but was still inaccurate against the Dolphins. Both QBs had sub-60% completion percentages this week.

Campbell still leads all three QBs in completion %, QB rating, fewest INTs and rushing yardage. Cutler overtook him in yardage this week as the Redskins had the week off.

If looking at the TD/INT categories, so far Campbell is +1 with 8 TDs/7 INTs. It does not look impressive, but Cutler is even with 11 TDs/11 INTs and Sanchez is -2 with his 8 TDs/10 INTs. This is not an official or possibly even useful stat, but it does show that Campbell does make fewer mistakes, even with his joke of an offensive line and no protection or time. Since I know someone will mention fumbles now, here you go:

Cutler: 7 fumbles, 1 lost
Sanchez: 8 fumbles, 2 lost
Campbell: 10 fumbles, 3 lost

Let's also look at sacks:

Cutler: 11 sacked
Sanchez: 15 sacked
Campbell: 20 sacked

Campbell is getting killed, even with having the most mobility of the 3 QBs. You can see a direct correlation with times sacked vs. fumbles.

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

Well, try not to get all high and mighty on those of us trying to have a civil conversation.

Campbell is struggling at a whole lot of things right now, and his overall numbers are dropping to career-average levels. At the end of the year, Campbell will more or less look like the same passer he has the last few seasons, which disappoints those of us who were predicting 20% improvement across the board.

[GTripp0012]

Sanchez' passing numbers won Offensive Rookie of the Year for Vince Young. And he didn't even have the assistance of a hot dog.

If Campbell ate a hot dog, he'd instantly be the best QB in the division.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Sanchez' passing numbers won Offensive Rookie of the Year for Vince Young. And he didn't even have the assistance of a hot dog.

If Campbell ate a hot dog, he'd instantly be the best QB in the division.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall if it was you or another poster, but didn't you want Sanchez? 52.8% comp, 6 tds, 10 ints, 7 fumbles. I was dead set against him, and it appears he is proving me right.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall if it was you or another poster, but didn't you want Sanchez? 52.8% comp, 6 tds, 10 ints, 7 fumbles. I was dead set against him, and it appears he is proving me right.

8 of those picks were in just 2 out of 7 games. In five of those 7 games, he has a rating of 84.4, 101.1, 81.4, 87.5 and 114.0. The Bills' game (5 picks, 8.3 rating) seems like an outlier. I know you hate SC, but c'mon man... you're going to use this sample set to discredit a rookie?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

8 of those picks were in just 2 out of 7 games. In five of those 7 games, he has a rating of 84.4, 101.1, 81.4, 87.5 and 114.0. The Bills' game (5 picks, 8.3 rating) seems like an outlier. I know you hate SC, but c'mon man... you're going to use this sample set to discredit a rookie?

What about his other numbers? Take away his first game of the season with 272 passing yards, and he is only averaging 151 yards per game. That is PATHETIC. His 5 ints vs Buffalo shows more than just a fluke game, it shows how bad he really is, and the hype isn't worth it. I seriously doubt he will turn this season around and end with decent numbers.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall if it was you or another poster, but didn't you want Sanchez? 52.8% comp, 6 tds, 10 ints, 7 fumbles. I was dead set against him, and it appears he is proving me right.

I'm pretty sure Tripp was against Sanchez. Sanchez doesn't fit Tripp's requirements, namely his college experience was very limited

[GTripp0012]

Cutler and Campbell remain roughly the same degree of player which should be a cautionary tale to anyone who is convinced that quarterback is the only issue. You can plug in anyone as a space holder, but the Bears and Redskins both have to fix their leaky lines and offensive schemes before you can get any production out of your offense. It's not like either team can run the ball.

The only difference is that we can choose to cut bait at the end of the year, and they are still in another first round draft pick. Basically, they have to spend whatever resources they have to salvage their investment on Cutler. We can either try to salvage what we have with Campbell, or we can just move on without cost.

Neither situation is ideal, but it makes the coaching position a lot more desirable if they have a blank slate. Even if the Bears finish 6-10, they pretty much have to keep Lovie there.

[TurnYourBack]

Good point.

[T.O.Killa]

He sucks and should be cut now. Yes the Oline is horrible the worst in the league, but Campbell sucks. Cut him now and move on. Let Collins start and go from there.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

He sucks and should be cut now. Yes the Oline is horrible the worst in the league, but Campbell sucks. Cut him now and move on. Let Collins start and go from there.

I realize what's going on here. The Warpath's banner no longer says "Discussion for the knowledgeable Redskins fan"

[Dirtbag59]

I don't know about his numbers but I cringed during the game when the play called for Campbell to throw downfield and he hesitated. Maybe no one was open and he made a good decision but sometimes I feel like we have to much trouble getting the ball down field. On the flip side if you rebuild the line and get the running game going we can easily be a playoff team with Campbell as an above average game manager. God knows we have the defensive personnel to pull it off. Bottom line though, we need to get back to playing Redskins/NFC East football. This attempt to be a 60-40 passing team like the Eagles is not working.

[GusFrerotte]

This discussion is getting lame real fast. JC's stats are padded with dink and dunk shit like Brunell had, or with garbage drives where the game is already out of hand(Lions, Eagles, his best games). I still want to know why JC fumbled two perfect snaps out of the shotgun vs the Lions. Bastard almost lost the ball both times and lost yardage. Perfect snaps mind you, hit him in the hands also. Bastard has the mechanics of a rookie or a first year starting QB. Him missing wide open men means his field of vision is limited to that of a rookie or first year starter as well or his concentration level is insufficient to get the job done. Can't blame the O line all the time for his sacks or pics either. JC could throw for 3,500-4,000 yards this season and we can still end up 3-13, so his stats are junk. I could understand if folks outside of Redskindom were high on the kid, but most fans I talk with of other teams think JC is junk. Defending the guy is OK, but defending him to the max when his stats are garbage time yardage, when the defense is in a nickel or dime prevent type mode is delusional.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

This discussion is getting lame real fast. JC's stats are padded with dink and dunk shit like Brunell had, or with garbage drives where the game is already out of hand(Lions, Eagles, his best games). I still want to know why JC fumbled two perfect snaps out of the shotgun vs the Lions. Bastard almost lost the ball both times and lost yardage. Perfect snaps mind you, hit him in the hands also. Bastard has the mechanics of a rookie or a first year starting QB. Him missing wide open men means his field of vision is limited to that of a rookie or first year starter as well or his concentration level is insufficient to get the job done. Can't blame the O line all the time for his sacks or pics either. JC could throw for 3,500-4,000 yards this season and we can still end up 3-13, so his stats are junk. I could understand if folks outside of Redskindom were high on the kid, but most fans I talk with of other teams think JC is junk. Defending the guy is OK, but defending him to the max when his stats are garbage time yardage, when the defense is in a nickel or dime prevent type mode is delusional.

Absolutely agree.