2011 NFL Draft

[Defensewins]

I just don't see JL as so great that he is a must have at #10 and I think Shanny's will realize that as well. The other top three or four Qb's are just as good as JL or in some cases/skills better. Locker will and should go around 12 to 32. Keep in mind there will be a good QB or two there when we pick in the second round. I like how pro ready this kid Ponder is, he intrigues me a bit, but I think his stock has risen and will be gone when we pick in second round.
Unless Shanny is skinsfaninok in disguise and must have Locker at all cost, then we would trade down and take Locker. It would be a bad football decision to reach for a player at #10.
I really think it will ultimately depend on if there are any blue chip players left on the board at #10, a stud that can come in an instantly be good IN OUR SYSTEM. If there is not, then they have to trade down.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I just don't see JL as so great that he is a must have at #10 and I think Shanny's will realize that as well. The other top three or four Qb's are just as good as JL or in some cases/skills better. Locker will and should go around 12 to 32. There will be a good QB or two when we pick in the second round.
Unless Shanny is skinsfaninok in disguise and must have Locker at all cost, then we would trade down and take Locker. It would be a bad football decision to reach for a player at #10.
I really think it will ultimately depend on if there are any blue chip players left on the board at #10, a stud that can come in an instantly be good IN OUR SYSTEM. If there is not, then they have to trade down.

This may just be a typo on your part...but if a player is worth the 12th pick then he is surely worth the 10th pick.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by celts32

This may just be a typo on your part...but if a player is worth the 12th pick then he is surely worth the 10th pick.

No, because you trade down and pick up a pick and extra pick a la Darth Hoody and still get Locker.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

No, because you trade down and pick up a pick and extra pick a la Darth Hoody and still get Locker.

You just said Locker is good enough to go as early as 12th. So how do you trade down and still get Locker? If a player is good enough to go anywhere from 12 to 32 then he's also good enough to go 10th. Your trade down would make more sense if you thought the earliest Locker would go was 25 or lower.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by celts32

You just said Locker is good enough to go as early as 12th. So how do you trade down and still get Locker? If a player is good enough to go anywhere from 12 to 32 then he's also good enough to go 10th. Your trade down would make more sense if you thought the earliest Locker would go was 25 or lower.

I said 12-32, not 12 only. The only reason I said he could go as early as 12 is any given team can be crazy high on Locker and reach for him. I would not take Locker 12th or 1-25. With the depth of talent in this draft class, I think he is a LATE 1st or early second. But that is just my opinion and where he will end up going is diffrent on where I think he should go.
So with my opinion, trading down to the 15-25 range, you should be able to land Locker IMO.
But I do not think he is a top of the 1st round talent. Not right now 3/31/2011.
Give a year to develop and he could be the next.....?

[MTK]

Locker doesn't strike me as a "gotta have" kinda guy. I'm ok with potentially missing out on him. It's not like he's a Sam Bradford type of prospect. That's the kind of prospect you go hard after. Not someone like Locker who could possibly fall out of the first round.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Locker doesn't strike me as a "gotta have" kinda guy. I'm ok with potentially missing out on him. It's not like he's a Sam Bradford type of prospect. That's the kind of prospect you go hard after. Not someone like Locker who could possibly fall out of the first round.

Exactly. Trade down, aquire picks and try to get Locker. If he gets snatched before us then look to Ponder or another player.

If the option to trade down is there at #10 then you have to pull the trigger. Extra pick means extra player. Is Locker worth 2 picks (1st and a 2/3)?

[Son Of Man]

I seem to recall alot of folks on here (ahem...including myself) knocking Bradford and saying we shouldn't pick him at #4, let alone trading up. Hindsight is 20/20.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I seem to recall alot of folks on here (ahem...including myself) knocking Bradford and saying we shouldn't pick him at #4, let alone trading up. Hindsight is 20/20.

I don't believe I was one of them, but I remember the debate; a lot of us said why draft a qb to play behind a sorry o line? I think you draft a qb, sit him for a couple years, then build up the line.

What it all comes back to is having too many needs, too few picks. As long as this team has so many holes to fill, we'll always debate the priority positions & need v. best player.

On a positive note, I've really noticed the last year or so that most everyone that posts here regularly feels this team has many needs. Before there was always talk of being a few players away. I say it's positive because maybe the fanbase is ready to truly see a rebuilding project.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I seem to recall alot of folks on here (ahem...including myself) knocking Bradford and saying we shouldn't pick him at #4, let alone trading up. Hindsight is 20/20.

I would have been thrilled with Bradford at #4 last year. But I don't think any QB this year is at Bradford's level.

I think we should draft a QB this year but haven't identified one yet I think can truly be our franchise guy

Waiting for Matt Barkley in 2012...kidding...or am I?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I would have been thrilled with Bradford at #4 last year. But I don't think any QB this year is at Bradford's level.

I think we should draft a QB this year but haven't identified one yet I think can truly be our franchise guy

Waiting for Matt Barkley in 2012...kidding...or am I?

I really think Locker will be

Give me the last great USC QB? No thanks for me

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I would have been thrilled with Bradford at #4 last year. But I don't think any QB this year is at Bradford's level.

I think we should draft a QB this year but haven't identified one yet I think can truly be our franchise guy

Waiting for Matt Barkley in 2012...kidding...or am I?

I know people will think I'm crazy just like with the whole Ricky Stanzi thing, but I think that Kellen Moore next year would be the next best QB for the Skins to get, because we know Luck will be gone.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I seem to recall alot of folks on here (ahem...including myself) knocking Bradford and saying we shouldn't pick him at #4, let alone trading up. Hindsight is 20/20.

Well feel free to look up my post history...i am all over this board last year spouting about trading up for Bradford. I would have traded whatever it took to get him. We can sit around talking about patching this hole and that hole but we are not even in the game until we get a QB.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by celts32

Well feel free to look up my post history...i am all over this board last year spouting about trading up for Bradford. I would have traded whatever it took to get him. We can sit around talking about patching this hole and that hole but we are not even in the game until we get a QB.

Finally, a 'Skins fan with some common sense! I agree completely with the assessment that we need a solid QB prospect.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Finally, a 'Skins fan with some common sense! I agree completely with the assessment that we need a solid QB prospect.

Ok but what QB do u want? You can't just call 1-800-ineedaqb