Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done

That Guy · 03-10-2006, 02:03 PM

yeah, of course. moving up in the 2nd day isn't quite as awesome as moving up in the first day though

at least the jets 5th is very high, so moving into the 4th wouldn't be hard.

EXoffender · 03-10-2006, 02:09 PM

The 5th rounder pick will be pretty high in that round and the conditional pick can sweeten the deal. Maybe another team will come along and offer a better deal.

BrudLee · 03-10-2006, 04:44 PM

offiss, it may be premature to blow up on Gibbs after two drafts for not finding second day gold in the draft. It is talent that needs development. Last year's 4th rounder went on IR, two others were at the bottom of a deep LB depth chart. In 2004, we drafted Wilson and Molinaro, both of whom got playing time that year.

Anyone could cherry pick late round gems that had an impact - after the fact. I just checked last year's draft, and players picked after Manny White had almost no impact that would have helped us. The only names I recognized were Ryan Fitzpatrick (the Rams QB we murderered) and Darren Sproles (a good backup tailback - which we have three of).

RedskinPete · 03-10-2006, 05:02 PM

I have mixed fellings about this. If Burnell went down is Campbell able to take over IE Doug Williams? Yes if he stays he wouldn't be happy but what best for the team. Yes if he went to the Jets for a 5th pick and a pick next year that could be a 3rd. I have to say that there must be another pick next year for this trade to be done in my eyes. Even if he dosen't play! If all went well and we did get a 5th and a 3rd that would be nice but if Burnell gets hurt we could pay a big cost in 06!

wolfeskins · 03-10-2006, 05:43 PM

i would imagine the skins will be looking to sign a veteran qb this offseason to take the place of ramsey.

i'd like to see campbell the starter with brunell 2nd and another veteran 3rd.

Paintrain · 03-10-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I have mixed fellings about this. If Burnell went down is Campbell able to take over IE Doug Williams? Yes if he stays he wouldn't be happy but what best for the team. Yes if he went to the Jets for a 5th pick and a pick next year that could be a 3rd. I have to say that there must be another pick next year for this trade to be done in my eyes. Even if he dosen't play! If all went well and we did get a 5th and a 3rd that would be nice but if Burnell gets hurt we could pay a big cost in 06!

All of the 'what if Brunell gets hurt' rhetoric assumes Ramsey plays well when he gets in. What happens if he stays, Brunell gets hurt and Ramsey craps the bed? Then he leaves after next season and we get absoultely nothing.. Something is better than nothing..

RedskinPete · 03-10-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

All of the 'what if Brunell gets hurt' rhetoric assumes Ramsey plays well when he gets in. What happens if he stays, Brunell gets hurt and Ramsey craps the bed? Then he leaves after next season and we get absoultely nothing.. Something is better than nothing..

I here what you are saying but Ramsey most likey WOULD have a better shot at coming in and getting the job done then Campbell. Why because he [Ramsey] has played in the NFL and Campbell has not taken a snap!!! What you try to do is have a back up plan if a top player goes down and Gibbs has always had that guy at QB. Two deep is his way at QB. So I am not saying not trade Ramsey but maybe we need to look for a vet for that 3rd QB spot or maybe live with not getting anything for Ramsey to be safe. The way you are thinking is not smart. I know Ramsey is no sure thing but I would bet he has a better chance of doing well then a QB that has never played a down in the NFL. You don't wanted to be next years Jets!!!

offiss · 03-10-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I here what you are saying but Ramsey most likey WOULD have a better shot at coming in and getting the job done then Campbell. Why because he [Ramsey] has played in the NFL and Campbell has not taken a snap!!! What you try to do is have a back up plan if a top player goes down and Gibbs has always had that guy at QB. Two deep is his way at QB. So I am not saying not trade Ramsey but maybe we need to look for a vet for that 3rd QB spot or maybe live with not getting anything for Ramsey to be safe. The way you are thinking is not smart. I know Ramsey is no sure thing but I would bet he has a better chance of doing well then a QB that has never played a down in the NFL. You don't wanted to be next years Jets!!!

The get rid of Ramsey party is fueled by the assumption that Brunell is some how going to get better, that his arm is going to become stronger, all the while playing under Saunders who will ask him to sit in the pocket and take a hit to allow WR to break open, ain't happening! Or they put all the eggs in 1 basket in Campbell and assume because he can throw an accurate ball in practice that he will step right in and start picking apart NFL defenses, DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!

So in short if we are going to compete for a SB this season Brunell will have to do it all year, yea pretty funny, or we bag the season and allow Campbell to learn? Or we keep Ramsey who right now probably has the most going for him to actually push us to a contenders status.

RedskinPete · 03-10-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

The get rid of Ramsey party is fueled by the assumption that Brunell is some how going to get better, that his arm is going to become stronger, all the while playing under Saunders who will ask him to sit in the pocket and take a hit to allow WR to break open, ain't happening! Or they put all the eggs in 1 basket in Campbell and assume because he can throw an accurate ball in practice that he will step right in and start picking apart NFL defenses, DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!

So in short if we are going to compete for a SB this season Brunell will have to do it all year, yea pretty funny, or we bag the season and allow Campbell to learn? Or we keep Ramsey who right now probably has the most going for him to actually push us to a contenders status.

That is why he should stay unless someone comes up with a great deal or we get a vet back up!

Bozzy · 03-10-2006, 07:08 PM

Let Patrick play where he wants to play. He's a good QB, not great, but good, and he has more of a chance starting as a Jet than a Redskin. Two draft picks is fine.

SKINFANFOLIFE · 03-10-2006, 09:36 PM

Watchout If Pennington Goes Down Ramsey Will Have Some Kind Of Breakout Year And We'll Once Again Live In Regret Of Letting A Qb Go. Also See.......rich Gannon, Trent Green

MTK · 03-10-2006, 09:40 PM

Gibbs knows QB's.

Trust the man.

SKINFANFOLIFE · 03-10-2006, 09:47 PM

Thats True.

RedskinPete · 03-10-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs knows QB's.

Trust the man.

What are you saying? That he trust Burnell and Campbell and not Ramsey? I do trust him[Gibbs]!! That is why I just don't think we will go in to the 06 season with Burnell and Campbell as our only QB's. If it isn't Ramsey it will be a Vet brought in! To much at stake to leave it up to a QB that never played a down in the NFL if Burnell is hurt!!!!!

SmootSmack · 03-10-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

What are you saying? That he trust Burnell and Campbell and not Ramsey? I do trust him[Gibbs]!! That is why I just don't think we will go in to the 06 season with Burnell and Campbell as our only QB's. If it isn't Ramsey it will be a Vet brought in! To much at stake to leave it up to a QB that never played a down in the NFL if Burnell is hurt!!!!!

I think I read on NFL.com that they might sign Todd Collins as early as tomorrow. Personally, I don't think that's the best choice. But he is familiar with Al Saunders' system. Then again, Wuerffel and Shane Matthews were intimately familiar with Spurrier's system.

03-10-2006, 02:03 PM	#1
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done yeah, of course. moving up in the 2nd day isn't quite as awesome as moving up in the first day though at least the jets 5th is very high, so moving into the 4th wouldn't be hard.

03-10-2006, 02:09 PM	#2
EXoffender The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 1,046	Re: Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done The 5th rounder pick will be pretty high in that round and the conditional pick can sweeten the deal. Maybe another team will come along and offer a better deal.

03-10-2006, 04:44 PM	#3
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done offiss, it may be premature to blow up on Gibbs after two drafts for not finding second day gold in the draft. It is talent that needs development. Last year's 4th rounder went on IR, two others were at the bottom of a deep LB depth chart. In 2004, we drafted Wilson and Molinaro, both of whom got playing time that year. Anyone could cherry pick late round gems that had an impact - after the fact. I just checked last year's draft, and players picked after Manny White had almost no impact that would have helped us. The only names I recognized were Ryan Fitzpatrick (the Rams QB we murderered) and Darren Sproles (a good backup tailback - which we have three of). __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

03-10-2006, 05:02 PM	#4
RedskinPete The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Camino,Ca Posts: 1,174	Re: Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done I have mixed fellings about this. If Burnell went down is Campbell able to take over IE Doug Williams? Yes if he stays he wouldn't be happy but what best for the team. Yes if he went to the Jets for a 5th pick and a pick next year that could be a 3rd. I have to say that there must be another pick next year for this trade to be done in my eyes. Even if he dosen't play! If all went well and we did get a 5th and a 3rd that would be nice but if Burnell gets hurt we could pay a big cost in 06!

03-10-2006, 05:43 PM	#5
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done i would imagine the skins will be looking to sign a veteran qb this offseason to take the place of ramsey. i'd like to see campbell the starter with brunell 2nd and another veteran 3rd. __________________ Hail to Allen/Shanahan .... bring in some baby hogs and load up on diesel fuel !!! (budw38)

03-10-2006, 07:08 PM	#10
Bozzy The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 1,034	Re: Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done Let Patrick play where he wants to play. He's a good QB, not great, but good, and he has more of a chance starting as a Jet than a Redskin. Two draft picks is fine.

03-10-2006, 09:36 PM	#11
SKINFANFOLIFE Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 82	Re: Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done Watchout If Pennington Goes Down Ramsey Will Have Some Kind Of Breakout Year And We'll Once Again Live In Regret Of Letting A Qb Go. Also See.......rich Gannon, Trent Green

03-10-2006, 09:40 PM	#12
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Ramsey to the Jets Nearly Done Gibbs knows QB's. Trust the man. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-10-2006, 09:47 PM	#13
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