Brunell in Saunders's offense ?

[That Guy]

maybe its just a result of being too defensive, but saying collins could start opening day (and not due to injury) or disregarding the fact that he's done nothing in over ten years as an indication of his talent level... well, you're in a small boat. and that's fine, but using a throw away and pre-prompted saunders quote as evidence is worthless and will NOT help your credibility, as i've already pointed out. he was asked about his qb situation, he complimented everyone... if you think he'd actually insult his players or say "no comment" as a response, that'd be crazy.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by That Guy

maybe its just a result of being too defensive, but saying collins could start opening day (and not due to injury) or disregarding the fact that he's done nothing in over ten years as an indication of his talent level... well, you're in a small boat. and that's fine, but using a throw away and pre-prompted saunders quote as evidence is worthless and will NOT help your credibility, as i've already pointed out. he was asked about his qb situation, he complimented everyone... if you think he'd actually insult his players or say "no comment" as a response, that'd be crazy.

Yeah but I think (and this is only what I believe) that coaches try to say as little as possible in certain situations - and by him saying something like this - it kind of means something. Like (and I know 2 different situations) brunell and gibbs last offseason- not totally the same - but to me the same feel.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by That Guy

maybe its just a result of being too defensive, but saying collins could start opening day (and not due to injury) or disregarding the fact that he's done nothing in over ten years as an indication of his talent level... well, you're in a small boat. and that's fine, but using a throw away and pre-prompted saunders quote as evidence is worthless and will NOT help your credibility, as i've already pointed out. he was asked about his qb situation, he complimented everyone... if you think he'd actually insult his players or say "no comment" as a response, that'd be crazy.

I don't remember him complimenting Brunell and last season I took gibbs's comments about brunell and threw those away too - I won't make the same mistake twice. And about the doing nothing part over ten years, again I am just going by what Saunders said.

[That Guy]

coaches have to have the player's back to not lose the locker room. he was specifically asked to talk about his QBs. what gibbs said was unscripted and not prompted.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by That Guy

coaches have to have the player's back to not lose the locker room. he was specifically asked to talk about his QBs. what gibbs said was unscripted and not prompted.

And this has got to be the point of disagreement. I am going with my gut and say that this wasn't what Saunders needed to say - he said it because he wanted to and believed it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I am just thinking outloud and wondering how Brunell will fit as the QB in Saunders's offense. When I think of Brunell, I think of a QB who uses his legs to get into a passing rhythm (sp). And when I think of a Saunders offense (using KC and STL to go by), I think of a true pocket QB that rarely needs mobility (for rhythm or otherwise).

Will Saunders be able to develop Brunell as a qb in his offense, considering how old Brunell is ? And I haven't heard much said about Brunell commenting on the Saunder's offense or vice versa.

I'm sure I've said this a few times already, but Brunell and Green, who came up as very different QBs, have become quite similar in their style of play.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

And I'm not trying to start a qb controversy, but just noticing little things that people say (esp. what the coaches say).

Like gibbs saying during the last offseason that brunell still had something to contribute.

I think you are reading way too much in to a coaches comments in May, in this case Saunders. During the offseason the majority of comments made by coaches to the press about a players ability is geard to motivate that player.
Like last offseason Bugel trying to talk up dockery. He did that to try and fire him up.

What coaches say to the media in May about a player does not mean squat. That player could end up cut in the fall.
What will answer your 'thinking out loud questions' is the Qb depth chart right before regular seaon game #1.
That depth chart will speak louder than any forgetable interview in May.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you are reading way too much in to a coaches comments in May, in this case Saunders. During the offseason the majority of comments made by coaches to the press about a players ability is geard to motivate that player.
Like last offseason Bugel trying to talk up dockery. He did that to try and fire him up.

What coaches say to the media in May about a player does not mean squat. That player could end up cut in the fall.
What will answer your 'thinking out loud questions' is the Qb depth chart right before regular seaon game #1.
That depth chart will speak louder than any forgetable interview in May.

You're saying Saunders is trying to motivate a #2 qb on the depth charts. Why ?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

You're saying Saunders is trying to motivate a #2 qb on the depth charts. Why ?

Are you saying Collins doesn't deserve some props? Are you the judge of who the coaches should compliment?
Todd Collins left a city and a team that he has been with for years to come here with Saunders and help get our QB's ready in this new system, and compete for a back up job.
Saunders is thanking him for coming to help.
Is that such a stretch for you?
Other wise you can believe that Collins is the best QB technician that Saunders he has ever coached. LOL

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Are you saying Collins doesn't deserve some props? Are you the judge of who the coaches should compliment?
Todd Collins left a city and a team that he has been with for years to come here with Saunders and help get our QB's ready in this new system, and compete for a back up job.
Saunders is thanking him for coming to help.
Is that such a stretch for you?
Other wise you can believe that Collins is the best QB technician that Saunders he has ever coached. LOL

No, see: previous post (not the one with gannon). That's what I'm saying.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

We're STILL talking about this a day later?!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

We're STILL talking about this a day later?!

I mean, this isn't even thread worthy is it?? Collins??

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

We're STILL talking about this a day later?!

You know what, I don't think we're getting anywhere. I feel like I'm chasing my tail.

There's just 2 schools of thought here.

My 2 points here are:
(1) See someone play and then grade him. Don't use stats, playing time whatever before watching someone play. Others use stats and playing time first to judge a player, then watch him play. I use stats to back up what I see.
And..
(2) I take someone's word for what it is if that person has earned my respect, namely Saunders. Until he lies or shows otherwise, he has earned my respect of believing his words. I believe him and don't think he is exagerating or any of that. That's my opinion until he disproves me.

That's where I'm coming from.

[12thMan]

[quote=warriorzpath]I feel like I'm chasing my tail.

See thread in parking lot. 15 reasons to have a tail!!

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

See thread in parking lot. 15 reasons to have a tail!!

Yeah I saw that thread already. And it's funny - I was just thinking about that thread.