Let's talk defense

[CrazyCanuck]

I agree with pretty much everything you guys said.

OUR DEFENSE SUCKS.

Our line is average at best and our secondary is brutal. Wow the Prioleau injury really hurt us (and Springs obviously). However injuries happen all the time. And it's not like Springs is a spring chicken (sorry) who has never been hurt before.

I just can't believe how thin this team is. I mean Rumph, Wright, Fox, Golston...who the hell are these guys? And like Tafkas said - where the hell is the Ade????? Seriously where is he?????? I thought the guy was actually becoming a pretty good player last year and now he doesn't even see the field with this bunch of stiffs out there? Archuleta definitely looks like a bust, wish we had Clark and some money back. And I hate to pick on Taylor since he's our only decent guy back there but I'm really not impressed with his "ball hawk" skills. The guy is a great hitter and puts fear in the opposing offense, but when it comes to coverage (especially deep) he always seems out of place and late on the play. That deep ball in the Dallas game was definitely his fault from what I could see.

We can talk about the offense, Saunders, Brunell as much as we want but right now I think the defense is definitely our biggest problem.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yes, Dallas's offensive line isn't that bad honestly. Jacksonville hardly got pressure.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Yes, Dallas's offensive line isn't that bad honestly. Jacksonville hardly got pressure.

Well, they're better. The Jags still got two sacks.

Doesn't say much for our line though, the way many people were talking about them.

[VTSkins897]

it's depressing. i'm gonna stay away from the news until sunday.

[4skins23]

Why is it I just got accused of being a Cowgirls fan when I started saying our Defense is Terrible -compared to last year but you guys are talking all bout the same point I was trying to make?

Our Offense has problems,but our Defense has /and is a bigger problem right now. Defense wins Championships. If ours keeps playing this way we won't be there. Overall I'd say we have lots of problems to address. Offense and Defense. We have loads of talent, but we don't seem to be playing as a team...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Our defense will rebound. I'm not terribly worried about the defense. It's looked bad, very bad, but I simply do not believe that GW will be unable to turn things around. GW deserves the benefit of the doubt.

[gibbsisgod]

If we get a lead then maybe GW could take some more chances. He cant be as aggressive because he knows if it backfires our O cant score to make up for it.

[MTK]

Funny how whenever we lose, talk always reverts back to talent acquisition.

I really don't see our talent level as a problem right now. It's piss poor execution and guys not playing up to their potential.

I really don't care how we get players or how much they're making. What it comes down to is them getting the job done on the field, which they're not doing right now.

[4skins23]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Funny how whenever we lose, talk always reverts back to talent acquisition.

I really don't see our talent level as a problem right now. It's piss poor execution and guys not playing up to their potential.

I really don't care how we get players or how much they're making. What it comes down to is them getting the job done on the field, which they're not doing right now.

I totally agree with you. It may be that the coaches haven't figured out how to use some of the players talent to their benefit yet. That or they are just not playing as a team. Playing as a team goes along way when your on the line/ in the trenches. We may have been able to double team guys like D. Ware.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Funny how whenever we lose, talk always reverts back to talent acquisition.

I really don't see our talent level as a problem right now. It's piss poor execution and guys not playing up to their potential.

I really don't care how we get players or how much they're making. What it comes down to is them getting the job done on the field, which they're not doing right now.

Why is it 'funny' to go back and reflect on the players collected by a front fice that has a knack for acquiring the wrong people for the system they're trying to create? That's sort of what happens when teams lose. You look at the players, question just how good they are, and criticize the guys that brought them here.

For a moment, let's be honest with ourselves and say some things that people probably don't want to hear: Maybe when you get right down to it, guys like Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, Rabach and Dockery, are all either B-list players who were once real good but have seen their heyday and are on the decline. And when these guys line up against a defensive line who might be just slightly better, they don't stand a chance, and they fold. Maybe there was a reason why the San Fransisco 49ers didn't fight to keep guys like Andre Carter, Brandon Lloyd, and Mike Rumph. And maybe the same thing happened with St. Louis when another team started inquiring about Adam Archuleta.

Maybe, (and this one’s going to hurt) the 2005 season was a flash in the pan just like the 1999 team was. And maybe they happened to catch bad teams at just the right times like St. Louis without Marc Bulger, Philly without Donovan McNabb and Brian Westbrook, or Tampa Bay that coincidently had the same offensive problems in January that they’re having right now.

Maybe all the naysayers were right, and Mark Brunell was playing on borrowed time, and now we have to pay up. Maybe this team just isn’t very good.

I disagree Matty. I think it's perfectly legitimate to question to moves of an organization that has yet to establish a track record of building winning teams.

I don't find it funny at all.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I disagree Matty. I think it's perfectly legitimate to question to moves of an organization that has yet to establish a track record of building winning teams.

I don't find it funny at all.

Actually it is funny.

When we were 10-6 a year ago, we didn't hear too much complaining about the talent or how we acquire it.

Now we're 0-2 and all of a sudden the front office is again the scapegoat. Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Talent isn't our problem right now.

The front office has done it's job. They put the talent on the field. Now it's up to the coaches and players to make it all come together.

Yes the team is struggling right now and of course people want answers. But let's keep some perspective. It's a very long season. This team proved last year that they can turn things around. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Argh. D. Ware is still overrated, he was owned against Jacksonville.

[724Skinsfan]

It takes a longer time for a drafted player to develop than it does for a proven FA. A drafted guy won't make an impact the first (probably) and maybe not event he second year. A FA needs up to a half season to get ready and contribute fully on a team. All of our acquisitions have at least average if not better than average NFL ability. No one come in and plays to their max potential right off the bat. AA and AC are not playing up to their contracts, that's for sure.

The next time you guys change jobs, see how long it takes for you to feel just as comfortable as it did for your previous job (3 months?). And I know that's why we have practise but actual games is where the majority of experience comes from.

[12thMan]

[quote=724Skinsfan;217435]It takes a longer time for a drafted player to develop than it does for a proven FA. A drafted guy won't make an impact the first (probably) and maybe not event he second year.

I think while your statement is somewhat true, it's becoming more and more common in the NFL that if you get drafted at all, you're expected to become an immediate contributor. First round picks are almost expected to start immediately.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think while your statement is somewhat true, it's becoming more and more common in the NFL that if you get drafted at all, you're expected to become an immediate contributor. First round picks are almost expected to start immediately.

Right, but at what level of proficiency are the rookies playing at? How effective is their contribution? It still takes a rookie a longer time to fully contribute than it does a veteran. The rookie may start but he's going to get "picked on" by the offense or the defense. You don't see too many cases where a FA gets the brunt of attention because its generally assumed that they have a shorter learning curve. Do we want Mario Williams or Andre Carter this year?
All of the players we acquire were someones draft picks at one time or another. Some are castoffs others couldn't be financially retained. Whether we draft them or someone else drafts them doen't make much of a difference to me.