What Is Wrong With The Offense?

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinnyfan

Did anyone listen to sportstalk 980 yesterday (tuesday)? On my way home from work "smokin Al" brought up some numbers on Brunell that were staggering. I can't remember exactly what it is he said but the jist of it was...Brunell is 15-16 as the starter of the redskins and out of those 31 games he has thrown for under 100 yards 7 times.....and over 200 7 times and the rest are 150 and below......or something along those lines.....he went on to say a lot more concerning his number and compared him to qb's like Couch, Garcia, Dilfer etc........players that are done basically. Anyway.....I know this particular post is wretched......but did anyone hear that and can give exactly the numbers that were used on sportstalk 980?????????

You should not include Dilfer with losers like Brunell, Garcia, & Couch. Dilfer has won a super bowl and the others never have and never will.

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by irish

You should not include Dilfer with losers like Brunell, Garcia, & Couch. Dilfer has won a super bowl and the others never have and never will.

Totally Agreed......but Dilfer's time has come and gone. That, I think is the point Smokin Al is trying to make. Its time for Brunell to move on, as well as the redskins. Brunell will take us to 8-8 or 9-7 at best, which is respectable, but not what we had hoped for this year. Do I think Campbell would take us to a better record??? No, probably the same as brunell.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinnyfan

Totally Agreed......but Dilfer's time has come and gone. That, I think is the point Smokin Al is trying to make. Its time for Brunell to move on, as well as the redskins. Brunell will take us to 8-8 or 9-7 at best, which is respectable, but not what we had hoped for this year. Do I think Campbell would take us to a better record??? No, probably the same as brunell.

It is totally time for MB to move on but for some reason (I suspect because they are both very religious) Gibbs likes him. MB will get worse as the season goes on and he gets tired. This team was constructed to go to the super bowl this year but there is no way its going to happen. I'm not sure what kind of record Campbell would lead the skins to but I do know the skins have 3 draft picks tied up in him and he is sitting on the bench (getting no experience) when those 3 players could potentailly having an impact on the team.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by irish

It is totally time for MB to move on but for some reason (I suspect because they are both very religious) Gibbs likes him. ...

That must be the reason he kept Riggins and Theismann in the lineup after they were passed it... because they were so religious. (I "totally suspect" you're wrong.) There is absolutely nothing in Gibbs' track record to indicate favoritism toward "religious" players.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

You should not include Dilfer with losers like Brunell, Garcia, & Couch. Dilfer has won a super bowl and the others never have and never will.

Does that then make Marino a loser also? Warren Moon? Fran Tarkenton?

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Does that then make Marino a loser also? Warren Moon? Fran Tarkenton?

This post is way off base man. You are comparing hall of fame qb's to scrubs like dilfer, brunell, garcia etc........not even close. I don't think Irish is saying that they are losers because they didn't win the big one.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinnyfan

This post is way off base man. You are comparing hall of fame qb's to scrubs like dilfer, brunell, garcia etc........not even close. I don't think Irish is saying that they are losers because they didn't win the big one.

Could have fooled me. He said Dilfer won a Super Bowl. And he shouldn't be compared to a loser like Brunell who never has.

Dilfer was in the right place at the right time. Brunell did take the Jags to two AFC Championship games, apart from his lack of a Super Bowl he's a better QB than Dilfer and has had a better career.

But whatever, the argument gets old. Everything is Brunell's fault. Fine.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinnyfan

This post is way off base man. You are comparing hall of fame qb's to scrubs like dilfer, brunell, garcia etc........not even close. I don't think Irish is saying that they are losers because they didn't win the big one.

Exactly Skinny. Throwing out names like garcia & couch implies loser qb's that have never won anything. Dilfer has shown he can win at least once in his career. Marino, FT, & Moon are HOFers, not losers, and have won lots of games but never the big one.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinnyfan

Brunell is 15-16 as the starter of the redskins and out of those 31 games he has thrown for under 100 yards 7 times.....and over 200 7 times and the rest are 150 and below

Those numbers are basically correct. He's thrown for less than 200 yards 17 times out of 31 starts. A lot of people will try to use the "game manager" defense, but Washington is 6-11 when Brunell throws for less than 200 yards. And four of those six wins came in the five game winning streak last year, when Portis was basically carrying the offense.

[BrunellMVP?]

The O is hampered by Al's lack of faith in his QB...Brunell seems scared in the pocket, and is missing his open recievers...as soon as his first option isn't there, he starts shuffling his feet...until he is gone, the skins will never be elite. Last year was a great run, and far better than any of us expected, but brunell simply can't take us there...

[BrunellMVP?]

offensive production is highly correlated to the opposing teams defensive coordinator's view of mark brunell. If he believes (as I do) that brunell is washed up, he will simply dare mark to beat him (which he can't)...and focuses on the running game (which can). If the D coordinator (for some reason unbeknownst to me) fancies brunell as a legit QB, he will respect his arm, which opens up the running game, which opens up the field for play action and letting moss be moss. i think D coordinators have seen enough on him that they will start daring him to beat them (not a good sign for the skins)...he may pull out a play or two, but he won't be consistent, sadly, neither will the skins...

[Daseal]

So you think JC would be an upgrade. Based on what? What little we've seen in a few preseason games? Damn, you must be a scout or something to know that he would be in "Pro Bowl form" if he played.

Please spare me with your armchair knowledge. JC an instant Pro Bowler? Don't make me laugh. Everyone is a freaking talent scout nowadays. Please.

I guess our coaching staff is just holding this Pro Bowler in waiting back. I guess they just don't understand talent otherwise why would this incrediblely talented QB not be in the lineup if he is indeed ready for prime time and ready for the Pro Bowl.

Your thoughts on JC are based totally on speculation and what you think, vs. what the coaches know.

Matty, as usual you're blowing this out of proportion. I see no where that he says Campbell is a Pro Bowl calibre quarterback. Maybe one day he will be, but that is yet to be seen. Answer me this: have we won games BECAUSE of Mark Brunell since he's been here? Sure, he doesn't throw picks, he also throws the ball away 50% of the time on 3rd down. I don't feel Brunell is an adequate quarterback to win games. If we go down by 14 points in the first quarter my hopes for a comeback are slim to none. Yes, Brunell played, for stretches, great last year. I have yet to see him play great this year.

While Campbell is an unknown, I'd rather lose with a young QB with promise learning, than an old QB losing it and on the decline. Campbell can make teams at least worry about the down field pass, especially with the speed we have to WR (maybe even RB, I'd love to see Portis run something deep!) Which will open up the offense. He'll certainly make a lot more mistakes, no one's doubting that.

That said, people such as Pat Kirwan (NFL Radio) mentioned before the season even started that he wasn't high on the Redskins namely because of Mark Brunell and thought that the skins wouldn't lose anything by starting Campbell, maybe even gain something. So there's a GM giving you that info. It's no secret that Gibbs has hardons for veterans, and obviously has trouble letting go when the time is right.

This is turning into "Mark Brunell didn't lose the Giants game for us." which is certainly true. However, he also did nothing to win it. It's time for the future, I simply don't think Mark Brunell can make teams respect him. If you can get any pressure with your front four, our offense is dead.

I'm just wondering how you know AS knew JG would be involved when Gibbs himself said he was turning the O over to AS and it seems AS has total control until the team hits the 35. I understand and expect Gibbs to make the go/no go call on 4th down but I dont understand why a team would hire people and not let them do their job.

Most head coaches in the NFL have large egos. I don't think Gibbs is any different. They can't stand not being in "control".

[SmootSmack]

Doesn't anyone else here find it ironic that people get all excited when talking about Gibbs' loyalty to the Redskins organization ("Oh he said he could never coach another team. He's not like Parcells. He's awesome!") yet at the same time bitch and moan when he shows loyalty to his players?

[REDSKIN1]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Doesn't anyone else here find it ironic that people get all excited when talking about Gibbs' loyalty to the Redskins organization ("Oh he said he could never coach another team. He's not like Parcells. He's awesome!") yet at the same time bitch and moan when he shows loyalty to his players?

Nobody' questioning Gibb's loyalty to the team or to his players. I just feel like Mark needs to produce now or move over, so at least we can see if JC is the real deal. Who knows, we may find out that JC can't produce either. What ever the case, if you take a look around the NFL all of the successful teams have proven QB's. You have to have a solid foundation to build on, and the QB position has to be the most stable and unchanged. Even if Mark gets us to the playoffs, and thats a big IF. What next? He hasn't got 10 more years in him.


Isn't it time for Jason Campbell?

[irish]

Originally Posted by REDSKIN1

Nobody' questioning Gibb's loyalty to the team or to his players. I just feel like Mark needs to produce now or move over, so at least we can see if JC is the real deal. Who knows, we may find out that JC can't produce either. What ever the case, if you take a look around the NFL all of the successful teams have proven QB's. You have to have a solid foundation to build on, and the QB position has to be the most stable and unchanged. Even if Mark gets us to the playoffs, and thats a big IF. What next? He hasn't got 10 more years in him.


Isn't it time for Jason Campbell?

Who cares about loyality. People are paid to be loyal in pro sports today. I (and I think most fans as well) only care about winning and if loyality or whatever one wants to call it gets in the way of winning than its not doing anyone any good.