Theismann made a great point during MNF.

[The Zimmermans]

Saunders is a smart guy, he realizes that brunell has a tough time goin down field, and he's immobile in the pocket. So he figured to go to our strengths, get the ball out of mark's hands fast, and get it in the hands of our speedy, dangerous backs and receivers. However, when saunders attempts to keep the defense on its heels with occasional deep balls, mark checks down, gets sacked, or throws the ball out of bounds, making these short plays predictable and inneffective in the end. Saunders is just trying to cater to what we have. He does run the ball a lot, just not when we are down by 2 scores, naturally.

[skinsfan69]

You are correct. They did win 10 games. But if you ask me, it was one of the weakest 10 games you will ever see.

[The Zimmermans]

We won 10 games, that is the minimum for a playoff team, a team with 10 wins has many flaws. We lost 7 times last year, counting the playoffs, there needed to be improvements, and saunders was that step, it's the defense that's the problem. Taking out brunell is just the only move that could make a difference at the moment. There needs to be big changes on defense in the off season if we don't perform this weekend with all our starters back

[skinsfan69]

The d-fense just does not have the horses. No playmakers on the front seven. Joe S. seems to always have nagging injuries, Daniles is too old and slow. Carter? Whoever signed off on bringing him here should be removed from personal moves. And can someone tell me why Holdman is still in the frickin line-up when they traded THIS YEAR'S 2nd rounder to move up to get Rocky M??? Another bad move. If you make that kind of move Rocky M. should be inserted into the starting line-up the day he walks in the door. Put Holdman on teams. What a bunch of BS! And can someone teach Carlos R. how to adjust to the ball when it's in the air? He's seems very uncomfortable in man coverage.

[MTK]

10 wins in this league, or 11 if you count the playoffs, is not a fluke. We were 5-1 in the division, that's not a fluke either.

[The Zimmermans]

i never said it was a fluke, but 10 wins is not a perfect season, you can't sit on ten wins, you must improve on ten wins, which we were attempting to do when we got saunders.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i never said it was a fluke, but 10 wins is not a perfect season, you can't sit on ten wins, you must improve on ten wins, which we were attempting to do when we got saunders.

I agree.

My response was directed towards skinsfan69 who said our 11 wins were weak.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree.

My response was directed towards skinsfan69 who said our 11 wins were weak.

Sorry but they were weak. Yes 5-1 in the div. was good. Very good. And there were some good wins against Dallas, Seattle and NY. But looking back a close win against Philly w/out McNabb is weak. I mean that game was almost lost and Philly had Mike M. and Detmer! A win against St. Louis against it's 3rd stringer is weak. Barely beating Arizona is weak. A win against Chicago playing at home against rookie qb is weak. And don't get me started on the Tampa Game with that pee-wee league 41 yards passing. If the defense doesn't score in that game it's a loss. The bottom line is the defense has fallen apart this year and can no longer carry the offense. And personally I'm just tired of this out dated run first pound it down your throat approach when the line is not as good as advertised. If you ask me we need to start rebuilding in that area too. No young talent as back-ups.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but they were weak. Yes 5-1 in the div. was good. Very good. And there were some good wins against Dallas, Seattle and NY. But looking back a close win against Philly w/out McNabb is weak. I mean that game was almost lost and Philly had Mike M. and Detmer! A win against St. Louis against it's 3rd stringer is weak. Barely beating Arizona is weak. A win against Chicago playing at home against rookie qb is weak. And don't get me started on the Tampa Game with that pee-wee league 41 yards passing. If the defense doesn't score in that game it's a loss. The bottom line is the defense has fallen apart this year and can no longer carry the offense. And personally I'm just tired of this out dated run first pound it down your throat approach when the line is not as good as advertised. If you ask me we need to start rebuilding in that area too. No young talent as back-ups.

I think you should look around the league and see how other teams have won over the years. You'll probably find a lot of "weak" wins. At the end of the day though, a win is a win is a win.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but they were weak. Yes 5-1 in the div. was good. Very good. And there were some good wins against Dallas, Seattle and NY. But looking back a close win against Philly w/out McNabb is weak. I mean that game was almost lost and Philly had Mike M. and Detmer! A win against St. Louis against it's 3rd stringer is weak. Barely beating Arizona is weak. A win against Chicago playing at home against rookie qb is weak. And don't get me started on the Tampa Game with that pee-wee league 41 yards passing. If the defense doesn't score in that game it's a loss. The bottom line is the defense has fallen apart this year and can no longer carry the offense. And personally I'm just tired of this out dated run first pound it down your throat approach when the line is not as good as advertised. If you ask me we need to start rebuilding in that area too. No young talent as back-ups.

Division wins aren't weak in my opinion. I don't care who Philly was playing in that last game, they were bound and determined to ruin our season and they nearly did.

Arizona and St. Louis were both road wins which aren't easy.

Like someone already said, we lost our fair share of games which we could have won. There's a very fine line between winning and losing. All you can do is play the next team on your schedule. I don't see the point in nitpicking each win. They won 5 straight to reach the playoffs when everyone had left them for dead at 5-6.

I don't see why we have to keep defending what happened last year. It was what it was, a 10 win playoff season. This year is a different team and a different season.

Why can't we just keep last year in our memory as a good memory rather than dragging it into the mess of this year?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Division wins aren't weak in my opinion. I don't care who Philly was playing in that last game, they were bound and determined to ruin our season and they nearly did.

Arizona and St. Louis were both road wins which aren't easy.

Like someone already said, we lost our fair share of games which we could have won. There's a very fine line between winning and losing. All you can do is play the next team on your schedule. I don't see the point in nitpicking each win. They won 5 straight to reach the playoffs when everyone had left them for dead at 5-6.

I don't see why we have to keep defending what happened last year. It was what it was, a 10 win playoff season. This year is a different team and a different season.

Why can't we just keep last year in our memory as a good memory rather than dragging it into the mess of this year?

Agreed. Last year was brought up becasue some of those problems have are the same problems we are having now. A total lack of offense when it matters most.

[Crat92]

IMO, Joe wore that single bar face-mask too long!

[The Zimmermans]

oh, yeah, either way, I really did think we were gonna have a good season this year, since we ended on such a good note, the defense just let us down. We probably should have focused primarily on depth in the offseason instead of signing big names. It's ok to win with defense like we did last year.

[dmek25]

the redskins won 10 games last. by far they were not perfect. but the players that were added didn't perform the way the front office thought that they would. with that being said, coach Gibbs proved his style can succeed in this league. i can still remember the disaster he inherited, i, for one, will take double digit victorys and playoffs every year

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the redskins won 10 games last. by far they were not perfect. but the players that were added didn't perform the way the front office thought that they would. with that being said, coach Gibbs proved his style can succeed in this league. i can still remember the disaster he inherited, i, for one, will take double digit victorys and playoffs every year

Here's what I will be satisfied with, dmek. Every Sunday when I look at the matchup between te Skins and their opponent I want to say "the Titans suck we should beat them" or "the Giants look pretty good but not great, we should have a real close game". So far, I'm not getting that. We are the consumate "shooting-one's-self-in-the-foot" team. In a word, I want predictability. I have no idea which Redskins team will show up from week to week.